I Center of Mass of Quarter-Circle Wire

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Kleppner's analysis of the center of mass for a quarter-circle wire suggests it is located at the midpoint of the rod, specifically at polar coordinates (R, PI/4). However, calculations presented indicate that the center of mass should be at (2^(3/2) R/PI, PI/4), which is approximately 90% of the distance from the origin to the rod. The discrepancy arises from differing interpretations of where the weight acts; Kleppner assumes it acts at the midpoint, while others argue it should be at the calculated center of mass. The discussion highlights confusion over the proper placement of the center of mass and the implications for torque calculations. Clarification on these points is sought to resolve the apparent contradiction.
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On page 252 of Kleppner's Introduction to Mechanics (2d. Ed.) in Example 7.5, Kleppner analyzes the forces and torques on a uniform rod that have been bent into a quarter-circle of radius R and length PI*R/2. His diagram is attached.

Kleppner writes, "[t]he center of mass is halfway along the rod at PI*R/2.'' In the diagram, you see this is the point on the rod at its midway point (at polar coordinates (R, PI/4), where the weight vector W is shown).

I'm not sure how he places the center of mass at this point. I calculated the center of mass as at polar coordinates (2^(3/2) R/PI, PI/4). I calculated it as follows. The mass per unit length is:
\begin{equation*}
\lambda = \frac{M}{\frac{2 \pi R}{4}} = \frac{2M}{\pi R}
\end{equation*}
I calculated the center of mass as:
\begin{equation*}
\frac{1}{M} \int_C \boldsymbol{r} dm = \frac{1}{M} \int_0^{\pi/2} R (\boldsymbol{a_x} \cos \theta + \boldsymbol{a_y} \sin \theta ) \lambda R d\theta =
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
\frac{2R}{\pi} \int_0^{\pi/2} (\boldsymbol{a_x} \cos \theta + \boldsymbol{a_y} \sin \theta) d\theta =
\left. \frac{2R}{\pi} (\boldsymbol{a_x} \sin \theta - \boldsymbol{a_y} \cos \theta ) \right|_0^{\pi /2} =
\end{equation*}
\begin{equation*}
\frac{2R}{\pi} (\boldsymbol{a_x} + \boldsymbol{a_y}) = \boldsymbol{a_r} \frac{2 \sqrt{2} R}{\pi} + \boldsymbol{a_\theta} \frac{\pi}{4}
\end{equation*}
This places the center of mass at (2^(3/2) R/PI, PI/4), or about 90% of the distance from the origin to the rod. Kleppner seems to say the center of mass is on the rod itself. Did I make a mistake?

Many thanks for your help!
 

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I also get 2R/π for the x and y coordinates of the center of mass. Not sure about what you are trying to show with your approximation.
 
Thanks, it's good to know I'm not missing something obvious here.

I shouldn't have used the approximation symbol, I should've used the equals sign. I was just converting from Cartesian to polar.

Again, thanks for checking my calculation.
 
same confusion here in order to find the torque because of the weight we should consider weight to be acting about center of mass ( i.e center of gravity ) which is at (2r/pi , 2r/pi) but Kleppner has taken weight to be acting about the middle point on the rod which is on rod itself.
 
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