In summary, the conversation discusses the use of energy conservation to find the tension in a chain at point A after one end has fallen a distance x. The initial and final potential energies are calculated using integrals, but there is difficulty reproducing the final potential energy expression. After correcting a mistake in the length of the A side, the final potential energy expression can be derived accurately.
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The statement of the question is:A chain of uniform linear mass density ##\rho##, length ##b## and mass ##M## hands as shown in the figure below. At time t=0, the ends A and B are adjacent, but end B is released. Find the tension in the chain at point A after end B has fallen a distance x by using energy conservation.
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http://i.stack.imgur.com/RGmud.jpgI can solve this example (from Marion and Thornton Classical Dynamics 5e) easily from assuming a free fall and summing force. I however do not follow the example's solution using conservation of energy.The example states:We treat the chain as one-dimensional motion ignoring the small horizontal motion. Let the potential energy ##U## be measured relative to the fixed end of the chain so that the initial potential energy ##U(t=0)= U_0 = -\rho g b^2 /4##. A careful geometric construction shows that the potential energy after the chain has dropped a distance ##x## is##U=-\frac{1}{4} \rho g (b^2 +2bx - x^2)##I can reproduce the initial potential energy via integration, that is to say, with ##U(x=0)=0####U=2mgh=2g\rho \int_{\frac{b}{2}}^{0} x dx =- \rho g b^2 /4##but am still unable to reproduce the falling chain potential. Can anyone help me derive the expression for the potential energy as the chain falls,

##U=-\frac{1}{4} \rho g (b^2 +2bx - x^2)##Thank you.

Homework Equations

##U=mgh##

The Attempt at a Solution


Let ##U(x=0) = 0##. The initial potential is derived above. When the chain falls by an amount x on the B side, the same length ##x## is added to the A side.On the ##A## side:##U=mgh = g \rho \int_{\frac{b}{2} + x}^{0} x dx = -\frac{g\rho (x+b/2)^2}{2}##Similarly, on the ##B## side:##U=mgh = g \rho \int_{\frac{b}{2} - x}^{x} x dx =\frac{g \rho [ x^2 - (b/2 -x)^2 ]}{2}##We next sum these two expressions yielding:##U = \frac{-g\rho (x+b/2)^2 + g \rho [ x^2 - (b/2 -x)^2 ]}{2}##which, after expanding we see the ##bx## terms cancel, and therefore does not reproduce the solution
 
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The length of the A side is ##\frac{b+x}{2}##, not ##\frac{b}{2}+x##. The length of the B side adjusts accordingly.

Make these changes and it will work.
 
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Classical dynamics is a branch of physics that studies the behavior of macroscopic objects using the laws of classical mechanics. It deals with the motion of objects and the forces acting upon them, and is based on Newton's laws of motion.

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