Cylindrical coordinates: unit vectors and time derivatives

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The discussion focuses on understanding the unit vectors and their time derivatives in cylindrical coordinates. Participants have derived expressions for these unit vectors in terms of rectangular coordinates but are struggling with their simplifications, particularly for the rho hat unit vector. A key point raised is the relationship between the time derivative of the rho hat unit vector and the phi hat unit vector, highlighting that the derivative can be expressed in terms of the phi unit vector. Clarification was provided, leading to a better understanding of the mathematical relationships involved. The exchange emphasizes the importance of correctly applying the derivatives in cylindrical coordinate systems.
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I have found expressions for the unit vectors for cylindrical coordinates in terms of unit vectors in rectangular coordinates.
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I have also found the time derivatives of the unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates. However, I am having trouble seeing how it simplifies. For instance, I do not understand how to arrive at the following for the rho hat unit vector.
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Can someone enlighten me, please?
 

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You say you have the time derivatives of the unit vectors. But, if the derivative of ##\hat{\rho}## is not that given, then you must have made a mistake.
 
Mason Smith said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


I have found expressions for the unit vectors for cylindrical coordinates in terms of unit vectors in rectangular coordinates.
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I have also found the time derivatives of the unit vectors in cylindrical coordinates. However, I am having trouble seeing how it simplifies. For instance, I do not understand how to arrive at the following for the rho hat unit vector.
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Can someone enlighten me, please?
You have $$\dot{\hat{\rho}}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})\dot{\phi}$$But you already showed that $$\hat{\phi}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})$$
Do you see how it works out now?
 
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Chestermiller said:
You have $$\dot{\hat{\rho}}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})\dot{\phi}$$But you already showed that $$\hat{\phi}=(-\sin{\phi}\hat{x}+\cos{\phi}\hat{y})$$
Do you see how it works out now?
That makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for the insight, Chestermiller! :smile:
 
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