Dark Matter: Exploring the Universe's Extra Mass

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of dark matter and the possibility that black holes could account for the extra mass in the universe. However, this hypothesis faces challenges such as the lack of enough baryonic matter to create the necessary amount of black holes, the absence of observed gravitational lensing events, and the need to explain the formation of black holes instead of stars in the early universe. The conversation also mentions the need for modifications to the theory of general relativity and the existence of a previous population of massive stars (Population III) to support this hypothesis.
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I've heard much talk of dark matter and the universe being more massive (according to calculations) than it should be given the amount of observable matter in it. Or something to that effect.

But I am thinking that since black holes pretty much consume matter and gain mass and are unobservable to us other than their gravity's affect on the surrounding matter, that they would be my first guess as to where that extra mass is. Especially since - I would assume - there have been black holes consuming whatever matter presented itself to it for billions of years now. i could see the mass of the amount of matter consumed to be quite massive by now.

Why have they been ruled out and Dark Matter theorized?
 
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FrigginGenius said:
I've heard much talk of dark matter and the universe being more massive (according to calculations) than it should be given the amount of observable matter in it. Or something to that effect.

But I am thinking that since black holes pretty much consume matter and gain mass and are unobservable to us other than their gravity's affect on the surrounding matter, that they would be my first guess as to where that extra mass is. Especially since - I would assume - there have been black holes consuming whatever matter presented itself to it for billions of years now. i could see the mass of the amount of matter consumed to be quite massive by now.

Why have they been ruled out and Dark Matter theorized?
Welcome to these Forums FrigginGenius!

That is a good suggestion that actually has not been completely ruled out.

It has been discussed before on PF here and here.

The problems with the hypothesis that Dark Matter (DM) comprises of Black Holes (BHs) are:

1. These BHs would have originally formed from ordinary baryonic matter but there is not enough baryonic matter in the mainstream [itex]\Lambda[/itex]CDM model to make all the BHs that would be required.

Measured as a fraction of the critical density, the amount of DM is determined to be [itex]\Omega_{DM}[/itex] = 0.23, whereas the anmount of baryonic matter that could be produced in the standard model Big Bang Nucleosynthesis (BBN) is only [itex]\Omega_{b}[/itex] = 0.04.

2. These BHs would gravitationally lens more distant stars and quasars in their line-of-sight and these lensing events should have been discovered.

3. You have to explain how, in the early 'dark age' universe, the material formed such BHs and not stars, i.e what was the Initial Mass Fraction (IMF) of the first 'star' formation?

For the hypothesis to stand up it would require:

1. GR to be be modified to give a slower expansion rate in the BBN epoch so more baryonic matter could have been produced.

2. The BHs to be of the right mass so they might not yet have been discovered,
hence the ~102 - 104 [tex]M_{sun}[/tex] range.

If they are Primordial BHs of mass less than [tex]10^{14}~g[/tex] they would have shown Hawking evaporation radiation, if there were lots of 1 ~102 [tex]M_{sun}[/tex] BHs then their microlensing events would have been detected, if they were more than 104 [tex]M_{sun}[/tex] then they would disrupt globular clusters and other large structures.

3. An epoch of Population III stars, which would have been massive and which could have left behind a population of BHs and high metallicity gas and dust.

Garth
 
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Hi!

Thanks for the welcome and the info Garth. This is the first forum I've posted on. Well, second but this one looks much more interesting. :smile: I'll try to make a habit of doing a search before posting from now on.

See you around
 

FAQ: Dark Matter: Exploring the Universe's Extra Mass

What is dark matter?

Dark matter is a type of matter that cannot be seen or detected by traditional telescopes or instruments. It does not emit or absorb light or other forms of electromagnetic radiation, making it invisible to us. However, its presence can be inferred through its gravitational effects on visible matter.

How much of the universe is made up of dark matter?

It is estimated that about 27% of the universe is composed of dark matter. The remaining 73% is made up of dark energy and visible matter.

What is the current understanding of dark matter?

Scientists currently believe that dark matter is made up of particles that interact with each other and with visible matter only through gravity. These particles are thought to be much heavier than the particles that make up visible matter, such as protons and neutrons.

How is dark matter being studied?

Dark matter is being studied through a variety of methods, including observing the rotation of galaxies, studying the bending of light by massive objects, and searching for particles in high-energy particle colliders. Scientists are also using computer simulations to better understand the behavior of dark matter.

What are the implications of understanding dark matter?

Understanding dark matter is crucial for understanding the structure and evolution of the universe. It can also help us to better understand the formation of galaxies and the distribution of matter in the universe. In addition, the study of dark matter may also have practical applications, such as in the development of new technologies and energy sources.

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