Derivative Maxwell boltzmann distribution

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The discussion centers on deriving the peak of the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution, specifically showing that it equals 1/2 kT. Participants work through the derivative of the distribution function, N(E), and apply the product rule to simplify their calculations. A key point of confusion arises regarding the manipulation of terms and the proper handling of exponents during the differentiation process. Ultimately, the goal is to set the derivative equal to zero to find the energy value that maximizes the distribution. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful algebraic manipulation to arrive at the correct conclusion.
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Homework Statement


i need to show that the peak of the maxwell Boltzmann distribution is equal to 1/2 kt.

Homework Equations


maxwell Boltzmann distribution according to modern physics 3rd edition by kenneth kramer.

ill try to do my best with this

N(E)= \frac{2N}{√∏} \frac{1}{(kT)^\frac{3}{2}} E^\frac{1}{2} e^\frac{-E}{kT}

N is the total number of molecules while N(E) is the distribution function (with units energy to the -1) defined so that N(E) dE is the number of molecules dN in the energy interval dE at E. dn=N(E)dE

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so i need to take the derivative and set that equal to 0 and hope i get 1/2kt. I am having trouble with the derivative itself. I am taking the derivative with respect to E so everything else is considered a constant. so to try to make this easier i took all that junk in front of the E and said it is just some constant a. that allowed me to go through and do the product rule. after that, I've been trying to simplify it but am getting nowhere. need some advice on how to do this properly as i believe I am not.

thanks a bunch
 
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Hi giraffe! Do you think you could show some more work so that we can see where exactly you are getting stuck?
 
i can try.

as i mentioned a = \frac{2N}{√∏} \frac{1}{(kT)^\frac{3}{2}} which is just a constant since we are doing this with respect to E

so now you have (aE^ \frac{1}{2})(e^\frac{-E}{kT})

follow the product rule: derivative of first * second + first *derivative of second

\frac{aE^ \frac{-1}{2} e^ \frac{-E}{kT}}{2} - \frac{aE^ \frac{1}{2} e^ \frac{-E}{kT}}{kT}

after that I've tried to combine the fractions and cancel some stuff out but nothing works.
 
Good job so far. Now remember that ##\frac{aE^ \frac{-1}{2} e^ \frac{-E}{kT}}{2} - \frac{aE^ \frac{1}{2} e^ \frac{-E}{kT}}{kT}=0## since we are talking about maximizing (the derivative must equal zero). Do you think you could do some cancellations to simplify?
 
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ahhh...silly me...thanks...if i add the 2nd term over then the numerators will cancel out leaving 1/2 on left and 1/kT on right. multiply by kT and you have the 1/2kT=0 which is what i want.

thanks again for helping me with that simple mistake.
 
giraffe said:
ahhh...silly me...thanks...if i add the 2nd term over then the numerators will cancel out leaving 1/2 on left and 1/kT on right. multiply by kT and you have the 1/2kT=0 which is what i want.

thanks again for helping me with that simple mistake.

Whoa! The E's don't cancel since there's ##E^{-1/2}## on the left and ##E^{1/2}## on the right.
 
Correct. Rearranging you'll get 1/2kT=E^1/4 which is the final derivative. Set E=0 to find max.
 
Not correct. When you multiply both sides by ##E^{1/2}## you add the exponents of ##E##, not multiply them (which is what I think you did). If you then solve for ##E##, you find the value of ##E## that maximizes ##N(E)##. You don't have to take another derivative.
 
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