I Derivative of a Variation vs Variation of a Derivative

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The discussion centers on the justification for the interchange of variations and derivatives in classical field theory, specifically when varying a field. It is established that variations and derivatives commute when coordinates are held fixed during the variation process. This is demonstrated through the relationship between the variation of a field and its derivatives, showing that the change in the derivative of a field can be expressed in terms of the derivative of the variation. The clarification provided by haushofer emphasizes that the variation measures changes at fixed coordinate values, reinforcing the concept. Understanding the derivative as an independent vector field aids in grasping this relationship.
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When a classical field is varied so that ##\phi ^{'}=\phi +\delta \phi## the spatial partial derivatives of the field is often written $$\partial _{\mu }\phi ^{'}=\partial _{\mu }(\phi +\delta \phi )=\partial _{\mu }\phi +\partial _{\mu }\delta \phi $$. Often times the next step is to switch the order of the variation and the partial derivative to get ##\partial _{\mu }\phi ^{'}=\partial _{\mu }\phi +\delta (\partial _{\mu }\phi )##. What justifies the replacement of ##\partial_{\mu }(\delta\phi )## by ##\delta (\partial _{\mu }\phi )##?
 
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Variations and derivatives commute if you keep your coordinates fixed during the variation. In deriving the Euler Lagrange eqns e.g. this is the case: the field variations involve functional variations.
 
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haushofer said:
Variations and derivatives commute if you keep your coordinates fixed during the variation. In deriving the Euler Lagrange eqns e.g. this is the case: the field variations involve functional variations.
I guess my question is "why do variations and derivatives commute?"
 
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I guess my question is "why do variations and derivatives commute?"
haushofer answered your question correctly. The variation \delta measures the change in the functional form of a field at a fixed coordinate value. So, if you define the field \psi_{\mu}(x) = \partial_{\mu}\phi (x), then it follows from the definition of \delta that \delta \psi_{\mu}(x) = \psi_{\mu}^{'}(x) - \psi_{\mu}(x), or
\delta (\partial_{\mu}\phi )(x) = \partial_{\mu}\phi^{'}(x) - \partial_{\mu}\phi(x) = \partial_{\mu}\left(\phi^{'} - \phi \right) (x) = \partial_{\mu}( \delta \phi )(x) .
 
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Thinking of ##\partial _{\mu}\phi ## as an independent vector field that itself varies seemed to help! Thanks haushofer and samalkhaiat!
 
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