Derive Phase difference between clocks with distance

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The discussion focuses on deriving the phase difference between two clocks based on their distance and the effects of motion. The equation ΔT = vD/c² is central to this derivation, but the participants express confusion about its origin, particularly without using Lorentz Transformations. A scenario is presented involving a rectangular box with two detectors at either end, where a flash of light travels towards both detectors while the box moves at a constant velocity. Participants discuss the necessary relationships between time intervals and distances, emphasizing the importance of understanding the problem setup. Clarification is sought on how to visualize and express the relationship between time intervals and the distance traveled by light.
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Phase difference between clocks with distance

Homework Statement



Derive Phase difference between clocks with distance

Homework Equations



I honestly don't understand how this equation ΔT = vD/c2 is derived/figured out.

The Attempt at a Solution



We haven't covered Lorentz Transformations yet so is there a way to explain this to me without using it? I understand the concept of simultaneity, time dilation, and length contraction. This problem deals with the first two. The situation is a rectangular box with two detectors on either end marked with the left as A and the right as B. The box is centered along vertical axis where a flash of light in the center of the box flashes, and the light moves towards left and right towards the detectors. Now the box is moving at a constant velocity to the right.

A picture is attached because it's hard to explain. L is the length of the box, D is the distance between panel 2 and panel 3. Tr is the time it takes for the light to travel to the left detector (Event 1) and Tf is the time it takes for the light to travel to the right detector (Event 2).

I have equations from panel 1 to panel 2: cTr = L/2 - vTr
And from panel 1 to 3: cTf = L/2 + vTf

I just don't understand how to get to the phase difference between them with these equations.

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Shiz said:

Homework Statement



Derive Phase difference between clocks with distance

Homework Equations



I honestly don't understand how this equation ΔT = vD/c2 is derived/figured out.

The Attempt at a Solution



We haven't covered Lorentz Transformations yet so is there a way to explain this to me without using it? I understand the concept of simultaneity, time dilation, and length contraction. This problem deals with the first two. The situation is a rectangular box with two detectors on either end marked with the left as A and the right as B. The box is centered along vertical axis where a flash of light in the center of the box flashes, and the light moves towards left and right towards the detectors. Now the box is moving at a constant velocity to the right.

A picture is attached because it's hard to explain. L is the length of the box, D is the distance between panel 2 and panel 3. Tr is the time it takes for the light to travel to the left detector (Event 1) and Tf is the time it takes for the light to travel to the right detector (Event 2).

I have equations from panel 1 to panel 2: cTr = L/2 - vTr
And from panel 1 to 3: cTf = L/2 + vTf

I just don't understand how to get to the phase difference between them with these equations.

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Your two expressions for panels 1 and 2 to 3, look right. Are you sure that D is defined as is shown in your figure?

Your next step is to get an expression for D (in terms of T_f, T_d and L).

By the way, a time interval is usually not called a "phase difference" so it is a confusing term to use here.
 
I figured I needed that relationship already. I was just unsure how to visualize it and needed explaining of the problem. The relationship was c = v(deltaT).

Simple enough but I just needed to understand the problem first.
 
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