Deriving Jeans' Mass for Gravitational Collapse

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The discussion focuses on deriving the critical Jeans' mass for a hydrogen cloud to initiate gravitational collapse, expressed as M=(v^4)/((P^.5)(G^1.5)), where v is the isothermal sound speed and P is the pressure. Participants share insights on the relationship between the isothermal sound speed and Jeans' mass, referencing formulas from Carroll and Ostlie's "Introduction to Modern Astrophysics." The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the physics behind why a mass greater than the Jeans mass leads to collapse, while a smaller mass does not. One participant successfully applied the discussed concepts to achieve a high score on their problem set. The thread highlights the significance of grasping underlying principles in astrophysics derivations.
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I need to show that the critical (Jeans') mass for a hydrogen cloud of uniform density to begin gravitational collapse can be expressed as:

M=(v^4)/((P^.5)(G^1.5))

Where v is the isothermal sound speed, and P is the pressure associated with the density ρ and temperature T.

I don't really know where to start. I have found a lot of derivations for the Jeans' Mass, however, none of them relate to the isothermal speed of sound. I assume I have to do some algebraic manipulations, I just need some help getting started.

Thanks!
 
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my textbook tells me that the isothermal sound speed is

v_{T} = (\frac{kT}{\mu m_{H}})^{1/2}

and that the Jeans mass is

M_{J} = (\frac{5kT}{G\mu m_{H}})^{3/2} (\frac{3}{4\pi \rho})^{1/2}

but my text also tells me that this was derived while neglecting an external pressure on the cloud due to the surrounding interstellar medium.

Does that help?
 
If this is homework, it belongs in Homework and Coursework.
 
yes, that helps. with that info, i can derive the required jeans' mass, with some arbitrary coefficient before the variable terms.

my textbook hasn't arrived by mail yet, and i am worried about not giving enough reasoning behind my derivation. is there any way you can give me a little insight as to how your textbook arrives at those conclusions? as in, how your textbook arrived at what you gave for the jeans' mass and isothermal sound speed formulae?
 
my textbook is Carroll and Ostlie's Introduction to Modern Astrophysics, and they do not actually give the derivation for the equation that you've got. They call it the Bonnor-Ebert mass.
 
I guess the derivations you have seen use the virial theorem and temperature then?

Do you know what the relevant physics here is? Why does a clump of matter collapse if its mass is bigger than Jeans mass? Why it does not if the mass is smaller? That would be a good place to start :-)
 
thanks for the help, guys! i referenced the carrol/ostlie text and managed to get a near-perfect score on my problem set. =]
 
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