Determine the set of odd primes ## p ##?

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Homework Statement
Determine the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue.
Relevant Equations
If ## p ## and ## q ## are distinct odd primes, then ## (p|q)=(q|p) ##, if either ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ## or ## q\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, and ## -(q|p) ##, if ## p\equiv q\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Let ## p ## be an odd prime.
Then ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue modulo ## p ## if ## (23|p)=1 ##.
Applying the Quadratic Reciprocity Law produces:
## (23|p)=(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##
## (23|p)=-(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Now we consider two cases.
Case #1: Suppose ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=(p|23) ##.
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18\pmod {23} ##.
By considering the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ## and ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, we have ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 1, 9, 13, 25, 29, 41, 49, 73, 77, 81, 85 \right \} ##.
Case #2: Suppose ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=-(p|23) ##.
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22\pmod {23} ##.
As in case #1, we consider ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 7, 11, 15, 19, 43, 51, 63, 67, 79, 83, 91 \right \} ##.
Therefore, the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue is
## \left \{ 1, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 19, 25, 29, 41, 43, 49, 51, 63, 67, 73, 77, 79, 81, 83, 85, 91 \right \} ##.
 
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Math100 said:
Homework Statement:: Determine the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue.
Relevant Equations:: If ## p ## and ## q ## are distinct odd primes, then ## (p|q)=(q|p) ##, if either ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ## or ## q\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, and ## -(q|p) ##, if ## p\equiv q\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.

Let ## p ## be an odd prime.
Then ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue modulo ## p ## if ## (23|p)=1 ##.
Applying the Quadratic Reciprocity Law produces:
## (23|p)=(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##
## (23|p)=-(p|23) ## if ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Now we consider two cases.
Case #1: Suppose ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=(p|23) ##.
So far so good.
Math100 said:
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18\pmod {23} ##.
Maybe, but why?

And what about ##(23|p)=-1##? Case 1 only says they are equal, not equal to ##1.##
Math100 said:
By considering the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ## and ## p\equiv 1\pmod {4} ##, we have ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
How? Why does ##23|(p-1)##?
Math100 said:
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 1, 9, 13, 25, 29, 41, 49, 73, 77, 81, 85 \right \} ##.
Case #2: Suppose ## p\equiv 3\pmod {4} ##.
Then ## (23|p)=-(p|23) ##.
Observe that ## (23|p)=1 ## if ## p\equiv 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22\pmod {23} ##.
As in case #1, we consider ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92} ##.
Thus ## p\equiv 1\pmod {92}\in\left \{ 7, 11, 15, 19, 43, 51, 63, 67, 79, 83, 91 \right \} ##.
Therefore, the set of odd primes ## p ## for which ## 23 ## is a quadratic residue is
## \left \{ 1, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 19, 25, 29, 41, 43, 49, 51, 63, 67, 73, 77, 79, 81, 83, 85, 91 \right \} ##.
 
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fresh_42 said:
So far so good.

Maybe, but why?

And what about ##(23|p)=-1##? Case 1 only says they are equal, not equal to ##1.##

How? Why does ##23|(p-1)##?
Because ## 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 ## are the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ##.
And the quadratic non-residues modulo ## 23 ## are ## 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22 ##.
Lastly, ## 23\cdot 4=92 ##.
 
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Math100 said:
Because ## 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18 ## are the quadratic residues modulo ## 23 ##.
... says who? How did you check that?
Math100 said:
And the quadratic non-residues modulo ## 23 ## are ## 5, 7, 10, 11, 14, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22 ##.
... says who? How did you check that?
Math100 said:
Lastly, ## 23\cdot 4=92 ##.
I know. What I do not know is why ##23|(p-1).##

We are interested in primes ##p## such that ##23## is a quadratic residues modulo ##p##. This means ##(23|p)=1## which by the way answers my first question why you didn't consider the other case ##(23|p)=-1.## But that only says that there is an integer ##x\in \mathbb{Z}## such that ##23 \equiv x^2\pmod{p}.## It does not say ##x=1.## How do we know that ##23|(p-1)?## And where would you need this? Your solutions for ##p## aren't congruent ##1## modulo ##92.##
 
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fresh_42 said:
... says who? How did you check that?

... says who? How did you check that?

I know. What I do not know is why ##23|(p-1).##

We are interested in primes ##p## such that ##23## is a quadratic residues modulo ##p##. This means ##(23|p)=1## which by the way answers my first question why you didn't consider the other case ##(23|p)=-1.## But that only says that there is an integer ##x\in \mathbb{Z}## such that ##23 \equiv x^2\pmod{p}.## It does not say ##x=1.## How do we know that ##23|(p-1)?## And where would you need this? Your solutions for ##p## aren't congruent ##1## modulo ##92.##
By the Quadratic residue formula, ## x^2\equiv q\pmod {n} ##. Since ## n=23 ## in this problem, the integer ## q ## is the quadratic residue modulo ## n ##. And the left over integers are quadratic nonresidues modulo ## n ##.
\begin{align*}
&1^2\equiv 1\pmod {23}\\
&2^2\equiv 4\pmod {23}\\
&3^2\equiv 9\pmod {23}\\
&\vdots\\
\end{align*}

I think there's also a typo in my first post, where you said I didn't consider the other case ## (23|p)=-1 ##.
 
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Let me think aloud. We have ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=1\, , \,\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.## These cases come from the condition that ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo an odd prime ##p.##

Let's begin with the first case. From ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## we get that ##p## is a quadratic residue modulo ##23.## Thus ##p\equiv x^2\pmod{23}.## The squares are
\begin{align*}
x^2&\in\{0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100,121,144,169,196,225,256,289,324,361,400,441,484\}\\
&=\{0,1,4,9,16,2,13,3,18,12,8,6,\}=\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}
\end{align*}
That leaves us with the prime ##p=13=4\cdot 3+1## and ##13\equiv 6^2\pmod{23}.## Finally ##\left(\dfrac{13}{23}\right)=1## since ##23\equiv 6^2\pmod{13}.##

In the second case, we have ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## and ##p=4n+3## is a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23.## The complementary set to the first case is thus ##S:=\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##
This means ##p = 4n+3 \equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in S## and prime. Therefore ##p\in \{7,11,19\}=:S'.## To check whether these three primes are actual solutions, we need to solve ##23\equiv x^2\pmod{p}## for all ##p\in S'.##

The last step has to be done because we concluded from the premises that ##p## has to be in ##\{7,11,13,19\}##, but not, that all of them actually solve our problem. (I checked.)

These are considerably fewer primes than you have, even if I delete all non-primes from your list. I took ##p=67## from your solution and found ##23\equiv 31^2\pmod{67}.## So I lost solutions somewhere.

Your list (only primes) is ##\{7, 11, 13, 19, 29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83\}.## I checked them and they are indeed solutions.

a) Do you see where I lost the solutions ##\{29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83 \}##?
b) How can we know that there aren't even more solutions greater than ##92##?
c) What about ##15^2=225=2\cdot 101 +23 \equiv 23\pmod{101} ## or ##34^2=1156=11\cdot 103+23\equiv 23\pmod{103}##?
 
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fresh_42 said:
Let me think aloud. We have ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and ##\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)=1\, , \,\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.## These cases come from the condition that ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo an odd prime ##p.##

Let's begin with the first case. From ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=1## we get that ##p## is a quadratic residue modulo ##23.## Thus ##p\equiv x^2\pmod{23}.## The squares are
\begin{align*}
x^2&\in\{0,1,4,9,16,25,36,49,64,81,100,121,144,169,196,225,256,289,324,361,400,441,484\}\\
&=\{0,1,4,9,16,2,13,3,18,12,8,6,\}=\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}
\end{align*}
That leaves us with the prime ##p=13=4\cdot 3+1## and ##13\equiv 6^2\pmod{23}.## Finally ##\left(\dfrac{13}{23}\right)=1## since ##23\equiv 6^2\pmod{13}.##

In the second case, we have ##\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=-1## and ##p=4n+3## is a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23.## The complementary set to the first case is thus ##S:=\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##
This means ##p = 4n+3 \equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in S## and prime. Therefore ##p\in \{7,11,19\}=:S'.## To check whether these three primes are actual solutions, we need to solve ##23\equiv x^2\pmod{p}## for all ##p\in S'.##

The last step has to be done because we concluded from the premises that ##p## has to be in ##\{7,11,13,19\}##, but not, that all of them actually solve our problem. (I checked.)

These are considerably fewer primes than you have, even if I delete all non-primes from your list. I took ##p=67## from your solution and found ##23\equiv 31^2\pmod{67}.## So I lost solutions somewhere.

Your list (only primes) is ##\{7, 11, 13, 19, 29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83\}.## I checked them and they are indeed solutions.

a) Do you see where I lost the solutions ##\{29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83 \}##?
b) How can we know that there aren't even more solutions greater than ##92##?
c) What about ##15^2=225=2\cdot 101 +23 \equiv 23\pmod{101} ## or ##34^2=1156=11\cdot 103+23\equiv 23\pmod{103}##?
From the second case, I found out that ## (7|23)=(11|23)=(19|23)=-1 ## because ## 23\equiv 3^{2}\pmod {7}, 23\equiv 1^{2}\pmod {11}, 23\equiv 2^{2}\pmod {19} ## from solving ## 23\equiv x^2\pmod {p} ## for all ## p\in\left \{ 7, 11, 19 \right \} ##. But I do not see where you lost the solutions ##\{29, 41, 43, 67, 73, 79, 83 \}##, I also realized that I made many mistakes in my first post and included many illogical assumptions such as ## 23\mid (p-1) ##. Can you please tell me how to find those solutions that were lost? And the fact that there aren't more solutions greater than ## 92 ##?
 
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We know from the quadratic residue law and our given conditions that for a prime ##p## to be a solution, there has to hold
$$
\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=\underbrace{\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)}_{=1}\cdot \left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=(-1)^{\frac{11}{2}(p-1)}=
\begin{cases}
1&\text{ if } p\equiv 1\pmod{4}\\
-1&\text{ if } p\equiv 3\pmod{4}
\end{cases}
$$
This means that ##p## has to be a quadratic residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##

As you correctly listed are all remainders ##\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}## those from some squares, and all remainders ##\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}\pmod{23}## are not.

So ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p \equiv 1\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv r\pmod{23}## for some ##r\in \{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\}## and a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in \{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##

I am afraid it is simple as that. You only have to put the arguments in order. You should check whether your list of primes fulfills these conditions, and also check ##\{17,97,101,103,113\}## for which we already know whether they are a solution or not. (##17,97,113## are no solutions, ##101,103## are solutions.) You should also check whether you have all primes less than ##100## that are a solution in your list.
 
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fresh_42 said:
We know from the quadratic residue law and our given conditions that for a prime ##p## to be a solution, there has to hold
$$
\left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=\underbrace{\left(\dfrac{23}{p}\right)}_{=1}\cdot \left(\dfrac{p}{23}\right)=(-1)^{\frac{11}{2}(p-1)}=
\begin{cases}
1&\text{ if } p\equiv 1\pmod{4}\\
-1&\text{ if } p\equiv 3\pmod{4}
\end{cases}
$$
This means that ##p## has to be a quadratic residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 1\pmod{4}## and a quadratic non-residue modulo ##23## in case ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##

As you correctly listed are all remainders ##\{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\} \pmod{23}## those from some squares, and all remainders ##\{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}\pmod{23}## are not.

So ##23## is a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p \equiv 1\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv r\pmod{23}## for some ##r\in \{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\}## and a quadratic residue modulo a prime ##p\equiv 3\pmod{4}## if ##p\equiv s\pmod{23}## for some ##s\in \{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}.##

I am afraid it is simple as that. You only have to put the arguments in order. You should check whether your list of primes fulfills these conditions, and also check ##\{17,97,101,103,113\}## for which we already know whether they are a solution or not. (##17,97,113## are no solutions, ##101,103## are solutions.) You should also check whether you have all primes less than ##100## that are a solution in your list.
That's what I was thinking earlier too. Sorry for the late response. I see it now.
 
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And I have another question, since you said that ## 92 ## is therefore not an upper bound for possible values ## p ##, shouldn't the answer be infinitely many primes ## p ##? Don't we have infinitely many prime numbers?
 
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And I have another question, since you said that ## 92 ## is therefore not an upper bound for possible values ## p ##, shouldn't the answer be infinitely many primes ## p ##? Don't we have infinitely many prime numbers?
Probably, but not necessarily. One would have to prove it. Theoretically, it could be the case that there is a number ##N\in \mathbb{N}## such that:
\begin{align*}
\forall \,p>N \, &: \,p\text{ prime and } p\equiv 1\pmod{4} \Rightarrow p\equiv \{5,7,10,11,14,15,17,19,20,21,22\}\pmod{23}\\
\forall \,p>N \, &: \,p\text{ prime and } p\equiv 3\pmod{4} \Rightarrow p\equiv \{0,1,2,3,4,6,8,9,12,13,16,18\}\pmod{23}
\end{align*}
This is not very likely, however, neither is it obvious. I haven't looked into it, but maybe the theorems of Green-Tao and/or Szemerédi can help.
 
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##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1009}## has no solution since ##1009\equiv 20\pmod{23}\wedge 1009\equiv 1\pmod{4}.##
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1019}## has a solution since ##1019\equiv 7\pmod{23}\wedge 1019\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##
It is ##23\equiv 467^2\pmod{1019}.##

So whatever ##N## would be, and I doubt it exists, we already know that ##N\ge 1019.##

In case you cannot sleep:
https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Primzahlen:_Tabelle_der_Primzahlen_(2_-_100.000) :cool:
 
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fresh_42 said:
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1009}## has no solution since ##1009\equiv 20\pmod{23}\wedge 1009\equiv 1\pmod{4}.##
##23\equiv x^2\pmod{1019}## has a solution since ##1019\equiv 7\pmod{23}\wedge 1019\equiv 3\pmod{4}.##
It is ##23\equiv 467^2\pmod{1019}.##

So whatever ##N## would be, and I doubt it exists, we already know that ##N\ge 1019.##

In case you cannot sleep:
https://de.wikibooks.org/wiki/Primzahlen:_Tabelle_der_Primzahlen_(2_-_100.000) :cool:
Thank you for this!
 
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