Did Einstein Say "Great, Great Freedom Existed in America"?

[Pengwuino]

Quick answer stoned: From what I remember, the military's buildings and tokyo city's buildings were pretty much at the same place i believe so you would have just nuked Tokyo instead. Also, weather was a factor. Also, it had to be an almost guaranteed run (you have 1 nuke per mission, 1 chance, lucky fighter or a few AAA guns hitting their mark meant a billion dollars falling 20,000 feet out of the sky). There were about 11 targets designated and one was tokyo (which was actually going to be the third target). Japan was also not defeated. If they were defeated, they would have surrendered immediately after the first nuke and even immediately after the 2nd. There is also a huge amount of evidence saying hte japanese were going to "fight to the death". Surrender for teh Japanese was like... it was like disobeying God himself. They also had a sizeable and scarily modern airforce hidden in their mountain ranges. Many of the airplanes were jet-powered but thankfully, most were not completed. Also, you are getting too deep into the attitute that dropping an a-bomb is some sort of unholy act. Also, they were not simply civilian targets. Along with that, civilian targets had been fair game in the European theatre. The firebombing of Dresden is a regretable example of that (which actually was worse in some peoples eyes then the a-bombs... imagine having your city slowely burn to the ground vs. being vaporized in 1/2 a second).

Long answer: that's off topic, let's talk about Einstein.

What i don't understand, and what one of my professors was curious about, is to why scientists are held in such a super high regard when it comes to non-science matters. He noted that "whenever someone asks me about politics, they always assume that since I am a physicist, my word is the absolute truth when in fact, i probably know much less about other subjects such as politics then your average person. I don't know why people do it".

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

It is true that Einstein, the person, had some influence in the creation of the atomic bomb. However, his theory of relativity with the famous equation $E = mc^2$ is no more applicable to the atomic bomb than it is to dynamite, or the snap of your fingers. The theory behind the atomic bomb is particle physics, an area that Einstein avoided. Otto Hahn discovered the fission of Uranium 235 in 1939, in Germany.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

is no more applicable to the atomic bomb than it is to dynamite, or the snap of your fingers.

Okay, we can say that the heat released in a chemical reaction is ultimately due to a mass change, but the snap of your fingers?

 

[Gokul43201]

"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my life."

I wonder because with all the anti-American people I've known, i have yet to hear this one come up.

I read this somewhere, a while ago, and filed it away under "rumor". I also recall that source saying something about this statement being in response to repeated badgering by the FBI (or something along those lines).

 

[selfAdjoint]

Main excuse in droping two nukes on Japan was fear of loss of American soldiers, but Japan was already defeated, just like Iraq collapsed in the last gulf war but Bush/Blair and Co, scared us of imminent chemical and biological attack.Same story.
There simply is NOT, NEVER will be excuse in droping atomic bombs on civilian population. why Americans did not droped those bombs on some big Japanese Military base on the outskirts of Tokyo ??

Btw . everyone considers Einstein to be almost some holy man, angel almost esspecially in USA who never could say anything un-PC. but he was just a man who had his great day in his life.

If you think "Japan was already defeated" you just haven't studied the situation back then. If we had had to do an invasion, the toll of Japanese casualties would almost certainly have been greater than the 200,000 max who were killed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki together.

For that matter we were already using firestorms on Tokyo and killing more people that way than died in the two nuclear explosions. What the A-bomb brought was not a new level of horror, but a new efficiency.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

Okay, we can say that the heat released in a chemical reaction is ultimately due to a mass change, but the snap of your fingers?

Yes. The relationship between mass and energy is universal. That's why I always snap my fingers just before I weigh myself.

 

[Pengwuino]

Ah efficiency... started with the repeating-crossbow, hopefully apex'ed with a flash of light and mushroom cloud that drops everyones stomach . Why is E=mc^2 associated so much with the atomic bomb? Isnt it really just a drop in the bucket of the information needed to figure out that the atomic bomb is insanely powerful?

 

[stoned]

It is true that Einstein, the person, had some influence in the creation of the atomic bomb. However, his theory of relativity with the famous equation $E = mc^2$ is no more applicable to the atomic bomb than it is to dynamite, or the snap of your fingers. The theory behind the atomic bomb is particle physics, an area that Einstein avoided. Otto Hahn discovered the fission of Uranium 235 in 1939, in Germany.

Exactomundo !
you of course suspect why Einsein instead of Hahn is regarded sooo high as almost some kind of Super God.
if you don't know what I'm talking about i give you just one little clue H...

 

[russ_watters]

Ah efficiency... started with the repeating-crossbow, hopefully apex'ed with a flash of light and mushroom cloud that drops everyones stomach . Why is E=mc^2 associated so much with the atomic bomb? Isnt it really just a drop in the bucket of the information needed to figure out that the atomic bomb is insanely powerful?

It's a small part of what's needed, but it is the key to the energy released (like Bernoulli's equation to aerodynamics). Its how we came to understand that matter can be converted to energy (which is what happens in a nuclear explosion).

 

[zoobyshoe]

"I do not consider myself the father of the release of atomic energy. My part in it was quite indirect. I did not, in fact, forsee that it would be released in my time.I believed only that it was theoretically possible. It became practical through the accidental discovery of chain reaction, and this was not something I could have predicted. It was discovered by Hahn in Berlin, and he himself misinterpreted what he discovered. It was Lise Meitner who provided the correct interpretation, and escaped from Germany to place the information in the hands of Niel Bohr."

A. Einstein
Atomic War or Peace
From Atlantic Monthly, Boston, November, 1945, and November, 1947. As told to Raymond Swing.

Published in
Albert Einstein
Ideas and Opinions
Crown Publishers, N.Y. © 1982 1954

To reiterate:

"It was Lise Meitner who provided the correct interpretation, and escaped from Germany to place the information in the hands of Niel Bohr."

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

one little clue (why Einstein is highly regarded) H...

I don't get the clue.

Einstein became a celebrity in 1919 upon the publication of some photographs of the sun during an eclipse. It showed a displacement in the positions of some stars as predicted by him. He spoke of this celebrity:

Why popular fancy should seize upon me, a scientist, dealing in abstract things and happy if left alone, is a manifestation of mass psychology that is beyond me.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

It was Lise Meitner who provided the correct interpretation, and escaped from Germany to place the information in the hands of Niel Bohr.

Good point. In this same sense, Columbus didn't discover America, because he misintpreted what he had found.

Discovering fission was not enough to envision a bomb. It required the knowledge that the fission of one atom produced neutrons that could trigger more fission, the so-called chain reaction. I believe this was done by Fermi and Szilard at Columbia University in the US.

Neither Einstein, nor his theory of relativity was involved in any of this. It is improbable that he saw the bomb as an unintended consequence of his theory and therefore regretted it. Your quotation makes it clear that he didn't.

 

[zoobyshoe]

Neither Einstein, nor his theory of relativity was involved in any of this. It is improbable that he saw the bomb as an unintended consequence of his theory and therefore regretted it. Your quotation makes it clear that he didn't.

You are correct. Relativity has nothing to do with the bomb.
E=mc², from a separate 1905 paper, also doesn't give a clue as to how to release energy from matter. It only tells you how much there would be if you could release it.

And the quote does make it clear that Einstein, with good reason, felt he had made no contributions to the physics of the bomb. "I do not consider myself the father of the release of atomic energy. My part in it was quite indirect."

The "indirect" part he played was in acting as liaison between Silzard and Roosevelt. His letter to Roosevelt is reprinted in many biographies.

 

[oldunion]

It most definitely sounds like verse from Einstein. Might i remind you that Einstein wrote a very good paper on the superior qualities of socialism.

I noticed in another thread about "greatest tragedies" that people were mentioning Karl Marx's ideas...

Anyone who understands logic, is left with a nearly infinite list of apparent problems with capitalism when compared to socialism as a dominant political system, Einstein knew this...look it up.