Real America: Sarah Palin's Vision of Pro-American Areas

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In summary: First you will have to inform me as to which States are pro-American, and which States are anti-American. I asked what she meant. And yes, I do have my suspicions.
  • #36
Math Is Hard said:
Note the word "very"..



If she had said "the only patriotic" and "the only pro-America" areas it would be a different story. If that had been the case, then it would be fair to say that she considers other parts of the nation not to be "pro-American".

All she did was praise a group of people that she sees as exceptionally patriotic. I don't see the reason for any fuss over it.

Then why did she refer to "real Americans"? There is no qualifier for that one. The implication is that others are not a real Americans.

Look at her entire statement. The context is clear. This is all about "them" vs "us". Note also that now Obama is a socialist! They are trying to claim that by any increase in taxes is socialism. Don't you see what these people are trying to pull?
 
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  • #37
NeoDevin said:
Maybe it's just because I'm Canadian, and haven't been personally exposed to that much racism against blacks, but how exactly do fried chicken, ribs, and watermelon constitute racism?

Here is the US, they are classic black stereotypes.
 
  • #38
NeoDevin said:
Maybe it's just because I'm Canadian, and haven't been personally exposed to that much racism against blacks, but how exactly do fried chicken, ribs, and watermelon constitute racism?
If it makes you feel better, I'm from the States and had no idea.
 
  • #39
Palin's Alaska. This would be the way she would govern the US?
I came across this story from AP about minority tensions that Palin faces in Alaska with her time as Governor.
AP_via_Alaska Daily_News said:
Black leaders say they feel snubbed by Palin
Hiring: Staff say it's evident governor supports diversity.

By RACHEL D'ORO
The Associated Press

Published: October 19th, 2008 12:24 AM
Last Modified: October 19th, 2008 12:50 AM

Alaska's black leaders say they're not surprised to see Gov. Sarah Palin at the center of the controversy over injecting the race issue into the presidential campaign.

Palin, Republican John McCain's running mate, has repeatedly insisted that Barack Obama's former preacher, the inflammatory Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is a legitimate issue even though McCain himself has said it's out of bounds.

"She has no sensitivity to minorities," said the Rev. Alonzo Patterson, a Baptist minister and president of the Alaska Black Leadership Conference. "She's really inciting a lot of African-Americans to get out and vote."

Since taking office in December 2006, Palin has had a sometimes tense relationship with black leaders, who say they've been ignored in their efforts to get more minorities hired in her administration.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/560727.html
 
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  • #40
NeoDevin said:
Maybe it's just because I'm Canadian, and haven't been personally exposed to that much racism against blacks, but how exactly do fried chicken, ribs, and watermelon constitute racism?

Unfortunately they carry the connotations of black minority culture, or maybe more properly the culture of the poor as these items also with the Kool-aid depicted are inexpensive dietary staples of the poor in the US South. Chicken is cheaper than pork or beef.

It's akin to suggesting that the Confederate Flag is not a symbol of racial suppression and supporting it within a more historical context of secession and states rights as McCain once did, and was forced to later recant.

But the fact remains that if the symbols carry meaning with the minorities against whom they are directed, then they are divisive. The derision in putting Obama's face on a food stamp with these symbols of black/poor culture demonstrate a remarkable lack of sensitivity and an interest in dividing rather than uniting.

It doesn't exactly reveal any kind of "reaching across the aisle" attitude when it comes to minorities.
 
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  • #41
LowlyPion said:
It doesn't exactly reveal any kind of "reaching across the aisle" attitude when it comes to minorities.

Chris Buckley said:
But then, conservatives have always had a bit of trouble with the concept of diversity. The GOP likes to say it’s a big-tent. Looks more like a yurt to me.
Go, Buckley!
 
  • #42
cristo said:
She's an idiot: it's hardly worth trying to guess what she means because she probably doesn't even know herself.

I think you are right. I am sure she got lost traveling down the road that leads to nowhere.
 
  • #43
I believe Sen. McCain picked the wrong woman for this very important role for our country. Obama's brilliance overshadows Palin's thirst for ignorance.
 
  • #44
NeoDevin said:
Maybe it's just because I'm Canadian, and haven't been personally exposed to that much racism against blacks, but how exactly do fried chicken, ribs, and watermelon constitute racism?
I had a similair experience once - we were discussing a NMR based sensor, I mentioned that we had to be careful not to use the 'N' word when describing it in public.
The Europeans all understood - the Americans looked rather shocked, I only worked out later that the banned 'N' word is different!
 
  • #46
I'm worried that Sarah Palin's America includes people that leave a dead baby bear with campaign posters over its head on the steps of educational institutions. Even if the perpetrators claim it wasn't political:http://www.wcu.edu/11223.asp"
 
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  • #47
phoenixy said:
Palin apologizes for 'real America' comment

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.sitroom/index.html
A headline with that article - If elected, Palin says she will address energy issues, government reform - flollowed by - Palin says she has more executive experience than Sen. Barack Obama

So she's running for president. :smile:

Step aside John! :biggrin:
 
  • #48
physics girl phd said:
I'm worried that Sarah Palin's America includes people that leave a dead baby bear with campaign posters over its head on the steps of educational institutions. Even if the perpetrators claim it wasn't political:http://www.wcu.edu/11223.asp"
I find that troubling - specifically "En route to campus, the students took random political signs to put over the bear’s head in an effort to cover the head wound and prevent blood from spilling into the bed of the truck. The students dumped the bear into the center of the roundabout at the entrance to campus at about 2:40 a.m. Monday, and returned to their apartment."

The dead bear is bleeding such that they want to prevent spillage of the blood. If that's the case, it would seem it was a fresh kill. I would then suspect that they would have heard the shot, or they were involved in the shooting. Head wounds bleed profusely, and the blood at low pressure would coagulate, and the blood pressure would drop pretty quickly. I believe it is illegal shoot bears without government authorization.
 
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  • #49
There can be seepage, but dead animals do not bleed very much. Once the heart is stopped and the BP is equalized, coagulation stems further seepage. If the students were out camping, and stumbled upon a dead bear, the chances that the bear was still bleeding would be pretty small.
 
  • #50
Astronuc said:
So she's running for president. :smile:
Step aside John! :biggrin:
Well McCain probably shouldn't go hunting with republican vice presidents!
 
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  • #51
mgb_phys said:
Well McCain probably doesn't want to go hunting with republican vice presidents!

I can't imagine that anyone would.

The surprising thing to me about paranoid Cheney going hunting was that they let the other hunters have live ammo.
 
  • #52
Well in GRT we are talking about relativistic electrons, but uh it has to also, with job creation. I now have thorough knowledge of relativity because in so doing I can see Russia from my house and I know is all relative because even after we lose I will still be wearing lipstick and I will be a hockey mom...well my daughter also..will be a hockey mom...ooops..sorry mr. Conservative.
 
  • #53
The GOP reaching across the aisle.

Folks, there’s a real America, and liberals hate real Americans that work, and accomplish, and achieve, and believe in God.” U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes, R-N.C., warming up a crowd for a McCain rally.

Hayes claims he has no memory of saying that, even though the comments were recorded. I actually believe him. Such sentiments are so engrained in certain people that they recite it without thinking about it, as they were rattling off their phone number or directions to their house. [continued]
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/10/21/liberals_hate_real_americans_1.html

Is it any wonder when we consider that right-wing radio includes the likes of McCain's good buddy, G Gordon Liddy?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=265625
 
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  • #54
Ivan Seeking said:
She attends extremist end-time churches where people speak in tongues. Frankly, I think we have good reason to be very concerned about this woman and her "first dude".

While I share your distaste for Palin, the practice of speaking in tongues is probably the least disturbing thing about the various churches she has attended and religious leaders she has associated with (Ed Kalnins, Thomas Muthee, etc.). Couldn't you have left that out and included something more relevant to her political outlook?
 
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  • #55
Adeimantus said:
While I share your distaste for Palin, the practice of speaking in tongues is probably the least disturbing thing about the various churches she has attended and religious leaders she has associated with. Couldn't you have left that out and included something more relevant to her political outlook?

Is she one of the snake bite Pentecostals?

I don't think there are many snakes in Alaska ... except maybe some of the politicians.
 
  • #56
LowlyPion said:
Is she one of the snake bite Pentecostals?

I don't think there are many snakes in Alaska ... except maybe some of the politicians.

Haha. No, she's not. But that's a funny image. Actually, the snake handlers, or Sign Followers, as they like to be called, are pretty harmless to everyone else except themselves and their children. Oh, and the snakes probably don't like it. :wink:
 
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  • #57
LowlyPion said:
Is she one of the snake bite Pentecostals?
It's grizzly bear Pentecostals in Alaska - snakes are for softies.
 
  • #58
mgb_phys said:
It's grizzly bear Pentecostals in Alaska - snakes are for softies.

As a true test of faith they smear peanut butter over their face and go lay out by the dumpsters and wait for the bears?
 
  • #59
Adeimantus said:
While I share your distaste for Palin, the practice of speaking in tongues is probably the least disturbing thing about the various churches she has attended and religious leaders she has associated with (Ed Kalnins, Thomas Muthee, etc.). Couldn't you have left that out and included something more relevant to her political outlook?

Please feel free to list what you feel are more relevant objections. I guess for me, speaking in tongues crosses the line between irrational and delusional behavior, and faith. If this were simply a matter of faith, then I would say they are free to practice their faith, and I respect that right. But when it comes to someone governing the nation, it is another matter altogether. Now I am put in a position of making judgements about the person's logic and capacity for reason.
 
  • #60
Here's a Salon video report on Sarah Palin's Conservative Agenda.

http://www.salon.com/ent/video_dog/politics/2008/10/23/wp_religion/index.html?source=video&aim=/ent/video_dog/politics
 
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http://elections.foxnews.com/img/story/102308_robbery.jpg

PITTSBURGH -- Police are questioning several "inconsistencies" that have emerged in statements made by a woman claiming to be a John McCain volunteer who alleges she was robbed at knife point by an attacker who cut a "B" into her face after noticing a McCain bumper sticker on her car...
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/mccain-volunteer-says-mugged-b-carved-face/

This afternoon, a Pittsburgh police commander told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that Todd confessed to making up the story...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_volunteer_recants.html?showall
 
  • #63
An interesting website: Sarah's Army

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
http://sarahsarmy.blogspot.com/

Given that Sarah's party had power for ten years, I wonder why they would be citing the Declaration of Independence.

...I meant the Republicans, not the Alaskan Independence Party.
 
  • #64
I am embarrassed that someone from above the 49th parallel is relying on small town charm to vie for such a big town position as Vice President of the United States. When "small, northern town charm" is manipulated in this way it is a front for "let's burn the witches and anything else that's not like us small town folk". These are the small town folks who wouldn't think twice about killing weeds (and everything else) with 24D or spreading small pox to make room for progress (historical account).
 
  • #65
Ivan Seeking said:
Please feel free to list what you feel are more relevant objections. I guess for me, speaking in tongues crosses the line between irrational and delusional behavior, and faith. If this were simply a matter of faith, then I would say they are free to practice their faith, and I respect that right. But when it comes to someone governing the nation, it is another matter altogether. Now I am put in a position of making judgements about the person's logic and capacity for reason.

I agree with your assessment of speaking in tongues as it reflects on a person's suitability for high office, but I would extend that reasoning even further to anyone whose religious group claims to have had the purpose of the universe revealed to them in a book. Sounds pretty elitist of me, doesn't it? And that's the problem. It gives Palin's supporters the opportunity to say, "Well, there they go again, those liberal elites poking fun at our small-town, hard-working, patriotic, real-American ways." And with that they distract attention from their more alarming intentions.

This video is a good start:



The first 4 minutes is relevant...everything after that is humorous but irrelevant and kinda stupid. I also take slight issue with the title of video. These are not your average pentecostals.
 
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  • #66
Adeimantus said:
I agree with your assessment of speaking in tongues as it reflects on a person's suitability for high office, but I would extend that reasoning even further to anyone whose religious group claims to have had the purpose of the universe revealed to them in a book.

One can make a logical leap of faith, but there are limits; beyond which one has to reject rational thought and accept anything or everything on faith. At that point a person could believe just about anything. That's why we get groups like Heaven's Gate, and the folks at Jonestown... and people who think Alaska was mentioned in prophesy.
 
  • #68
Here's an article that is useful mainly because at the end of it is a short summary of the NAR as well as links to other articles and videos. The info in the article itself is pretty bizarre, too, although it tends toward speculation about Palin's direct involvement in a witch hunt. A little sensationalist IMO.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/24/125017/31

In Short: The New Apostolic Reformation and the Third Wave
The New Apostolic Reformation is a recently institutionalized Protestant sect that emerged from specific Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, sometimes referred to collectively as the Third Wave. These are revivals of a 1940s and 1950s movement named as a heresy by the Assemblies of God at that time. The New Apostolic Reformation can now be defined as a distinct movement with a unique theology. The central figure in the movement, C. Peter Wagner has organized the sect structure and defined its primary theology. He declared 2001 as the beginning of the new Apostolic Age. Wagner's extensive Apostolic network includes 500 Apostles from the U.S. and 42 other countries, each with their own network of churches and ministries, some with hundreds or even thousands. This network is interconnected with other Apostolic networks around the world who share media, conferences, schools, and training, and revivals.


The major tenets of the adherents of this sect include the belief that we are living in the final years before the return of Christ. However, they differ from other Fundamentalist Protestants in their belief that they must defeat evil on the Earth and purify the existing churches before Jesus can return. Furthermore, the building of this "Kingdom of God" is not to be delayed until after the Rapture, or to be built in a heavenly sphere. They believe that they have a mandate to build the Kingdom in the present and in the physical realm. In preparation for this task, this final generation is being "imparted" with special supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit that will allow them to wage spiritual warfare and take control of the Earth from the devil and an array of demons. The mandate for building the Kingdom includes their current Seven Mountains strategy for the taking control over government, arts and entertainment, media, education, family, religion, and business.


This effort includes extensive mission work around the globe featuring their well developed spiritual warfare strategies which have been published in books and videos. The goal of these spiritual warfare tactics is to take cities and communities from the territorial demons that control theses geographic areas and that they believe prevent their efforts in planting their own Apostolic churches. Spiritual warfare around the globe includes the goal of taking control of cities through the expulsion of witches and demons, and the conversion of Roman Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and all other religions. They also believe that there must be a civil war in the Protestant church during this "Third Reformation" in order for them to purify that institution before Jesus can return. The movement has an extensive focus on youth, with several leaders specifically prophesying that those born after 1973 are to be the trainers and warriors for God's army.
 
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  • #69
Thankfully I am as ignorant about religious doctrine as Sarah is about the Bush doctrine... if not more so.

I do know that some of these religions are Vampiric in nature with all the blood drinking and flesh eating at an alter.

But there is this little known photo of their Pope at another, more passive type of alter...somewhere in Dublin...

here it is now...
 

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