Dodelson Cosmology 4.8 Temperature of Nonrelativistic Matter

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The discussion centers on demonstrating that the temperature of non-relativistic matter scales as a^{-2} in the absence of interactions, starting from a specific equation. The user initially assumes temperature does not depend on time or space, which leads to complications in their calculations. After recognizing that temperature must depend on time due to its relation to the scale factor a, they reformulate their equations accordingly. The user derives a relationship involving temperature and scale factor, ultimately concluding that temperature scales as a^{-2}. The discussion highlights the importance of considering time dependence in cosmological equations.
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Homework Statement



Show that the temperature of non-relativistic matter scales as ##a^{-2}## in the absence of interactions. Start from the zero-order part of Eq. (4.68) and assume a form ##f_{dm} \propto e^{-E/T}=e^{-p^2/2mT}##. Note that his argument does not apply to electrons and protons: as long as they are couple to the photons, their temperature scales as ##a^{-1}##.

Homework Equations



Eq. (4.68)
$$\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial t}+\frac{\hat p^i}{a}\frac{p}{E}\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial x^i}-\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial E} \bigg[ \frac{da/dt}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}+\frac{p^2}{E}\frac {\partial \Phi} {\partial t}+\frac{\hat p^i p}{a}\frac {\partial \Psi} {\partial x^i} \bigg]=0$$

The Attempt at a Solution


So I will use overdots to represent partial derivative with respect to time and primes for derivatives with respect to ##x^i##. I'm assuming since ##e^{-E/T}=e^{-p^2/2mT}## that ##E=p^2/2m## and that p is a function of both ##x^i## and ##t##.

Since this is first order I ignore the terms with ##\Phi## and ##\Psi## because they are perturbations to the metric. So 4.68 is just

$$\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial t}+\frac{\hat p^i}{a}\frac{p}{E}\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial x^i}-\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial E} \bigg[ \frac{da/dt}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}\bigg]=0$$

So taking the derivatives of ##f_{dm}## and just sticking with ##e^{-E/T}## for now, we have

$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}} {\partial t}=-\frac{\dot{E}}{T} e^{-E/T}$$
$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}} {\partial x^i}=-\frac{E'}{T} e^{-E/T}$$
$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}} {\partial E}=-\frac{1}{T}e^{-E/T}$$

where all the ##-\frac{1}{T}e^{-E/T}## go away and I am left with no term for temperature. So I messed up somewhere because I need a T to remain.

Thanks for the help in advance.
 
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StuckPhysicsStudent said:

Homework Statement



Show that the temperature of non-relativistic matter scales as ##a^{-2}## in the absence of interactions. Start from the zero-order part of Eq. (4.68) and assume a form ##f_{dm} \propto e^{-E/T}=e^{-p^2/2mT}##. Note that his argument does not apply to electrons and protons: as long as they are couple to the photons, their temperature scales as ##a^{-1}##.

Homework Equations



Eq. (4.68)
$$\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial t}+\frac{\hat p^i}{a}\frac{p}{E}\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial x^i}-\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial E} \bigg[ \frac{da/dt}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}+\frac{p^2}{E}\frac {\partial \Phi} {\partial t}+\frac{\hat p^i p}{a}\frac {\partial \Psi} {\partial x^i} \bigg]=0$$

The Attempt at a Solution


So I will use overdots to represent partial derivative with respect to time and primes for derivatives with respect to ##x^i##. I'm assuming since ##e^{-E/T}=e^{-p^2/2mT}## that ##E=p^2/2m## and that p is a function of both ##x^i## and ##t##.

Since this is first order I ignore the terms with ##\Phi## and ##\Psi## because they are perturbations to the metric. So 4.68 is just

$$\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial t}+\frac{\hat p^i}{a}\frac{p}{E}\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial x^i}-\frac {\partial f_{dm}} {\partial E} \bigg[ \frac{da/dt}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}\bigg]=0$$

So taking the derivatives of ##f_{dm}## and just sticking with ##e^{-E/T}## for now, we have

$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}} {\partial t}=-\frac{\dot{E}}{T} e^{-E/T}$$
$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}} {\partial x^i}=-\frac{E'}{T} e^{-E/T}$$
$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}} {\partial E}=-\frac{1}{T}e^{-E/T}$$

where all the ##-\frac{1}{T}e^{-E/T}## go away and I am left with no term for temperature. So I messed up somewhere because I need a T to remain.

Thanks for the help in advance.
You are assuming that T does not depend on time or on space. Why?
 
nrqed said:
You are assuming that T does not depend on time or on space. Why?

Well, it must depend on time since it is dependent on a. I am unsure exactly how it would depend on space, but regardless if I assume T does depend on both I get

$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}}{\partial t}=-\frac{\dot{E}T-\dot{T}E}{T^2}e^{-E/T}$$
$$\frac{\partial f_{dm}}{\partial x^i}=-\frac{E'T-T'E}{T^2}e^{-E/T}$$

So that the equation becomes

$$0=-\frac{\dot{E}T-\dot{T}E}{T^2}e^{-E/T}-\frac{E'T-T'E}{T^2}e^{-E/T}\frac{p\hat{p^i}}{aE}+\frac{1}{T}e^{-E/T}\frac{\dot{a}}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}$$

Then dividing through by ##e^{-E/T}## and multipling by ##T^2## we get

$$0=-(\dot{E}T-\dot{T}E)-(E'T-T'E)\frac{p\hat{p^i}}{aE}+T\frac{\dot{a}}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}$$
$$=-\dot{E}T+\dot{T}E-E'T+T'E\frac{p\hat{p^i}}{aE}+T\frac{\dot{a}}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}$$
$$=T(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}\frac{p^2}{E}-\dot{E}-E') +E(\dot{T}+T'\frac{p\hat{p^i}}{aE})$$

Then using ##E=p^2/2m##, ##\dot{E}=2p\dot{p}/2m=p\dot{p}/m##, and ##E'=2pp'/2m=pp'/m##

$$0=T(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}2m-\frac{p\dot{p}}{m}-\frac{pp'}{m}) +\frac{p^2}{2m}(\dot{T}+T'\frac{2m\hat{p^i}}{ap})$$

Now this is where I feel comfortable so far, the following I don't feel like it's right but I am going to post it anyways.

While I still not sure on the space dependence of T I am going to assume that it really doesn't matter for the following because it's a(t) not a(x,t) so we get

$$0=T(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}2m-\frac{p\dot{p}}{m}-\frac{pp'}{m}) +\frac{p^2}{2m}(\dot{T})$$

$$T(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}2m-\frac{p\dot{p}}{m}-\frac{pp'}{m}) =-\frac{p^2}{2m}\dot{T}$$

and using the knowledge (which we are suppose to be finding in the first place) that ##T\propto a^{-2}## so that ##\dot{T}=-2\dot{a}/a^3## so the above goes to

$$T(\frac{\dot{a}}{a}2m-\frac{p\dot{p}}{m}-\frac{pp'}{m}) =\frac{\dot{a}p^2}{a^3 m}$$

And then just ignoring everything beside T, a, and ##\dot{a}##

$$T\frac{\dot{a}}{a}=\frac{\dot{a}}{a^3}\rightarrow T=a^{-2}$$

Which I don't think is the right method because I just set ##-\frac{p\dot{p}}{m}-\frac{pp'}{m}=0## and ##2m=1## (which I guess could work if ##p\dot{p}## and ##pp'## both equal zero, but I doubt that's the case).Thanks for the help so far, the time dependence was quite obvious once you pointed it out.
 
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