Does the Universe have a finite number of fundamentals to uncover?

In summary, the exploration of the universe's fundamental constituents posits whether there is a finite set of elements or principles to discover. While current scientific theories suggest a limited number of fundamental particles and forces, ongoing research in physics, particularly in fields like quantum mechanics and cosmology, raises questions about the completeness of our understanding. The pursuit of knowledge continues to challenge the notion of finitude, as new discoveries may reveal deeper layers of complexity and interconnections within the universe.
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Fire, Gravity, Electromagnetism, Atoms, DNA, Steam power, Nuclear, Quarks. All of these things have one thing in common. They are fundamental aspects of the universe that humans have uncovered and given names. However, all of these great discoveries occured quite some time ago and as a science lover; it makes me upset. We don’t seem to be be making fundamental discoveries in science anymore. Sure technology is always progressing and many scientific advances are made all the time BUT it’s all built on pre-existing foundations and doesn’t really change our view of reality anymore. Why is this the case? Is the universe finite in its complexity and there is only so much fruit on the tree to pick? I believe the universe (while much of it we can never see) is infinite in size; therefore there should be an infinite amount of “stuff” for us to find. At least that’s how I see it.

But the universe doesn’t care what I think and science’s main goal has always been the means of classifying everything into neat categories. I understand that.

Yet, I am looking for something as different as red is to blue. Red is red and blue is blue. Could we find another “color” someday or open up a new field like if we discovered the existence of hypermatter that allowed for FTL like in Star Wars?
 
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I think you will need to rethink what you mean by "fundamental". Fire nor DNA (nor steam and nuclear power) have nothing "fundamental" about them, technically these are just applications.
 
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Maximum7 said:
Fire, Gravity, Electromagnetism, Atoms, DNA, Steam power, Nuclear, Quarks
Are you looking for fundamental or hyped aspects?

I don't know whether the universe is finite or infinite about 'fundamentals', but regarding hypes, the human imagination is clearly infinite enough for weekly/monthly/yearly excitements.
You only need to look around carefully.
 
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To add to what has already been said: Even if the universe was divided into fundamentals in the way you describe, how would you ever be able to conclude if its number was finite or not?
 
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Maybe there are a minimum number of laws (equations) that describe our observations (data).

Are we handicapped by our haphazard approach to finding those laws and equations?

How can we know when we have discovered the last of those laws, or if they form a complete, or a minimum set?

Can we then stop making observations?
 
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Maximum7 said:
We don’t seem to be be making fundamental discoveries in science anymore

That type of thing, game changers, will happen less and less as the "easier" stuff has already been worked out.
Quantum computers and other tech could change that when available.

In terms of progress and approach to finding things out Richard Feynman always had a nice philosophy.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fyn...ate=ive&vld=cid:5a6b6d69,vid:QkhBcLk_8f0,st:0
 
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Maximum7 said:
We don’t seem to be be making fundamental discoveries in science anymore.

pinball1970 said:
That type of thing, game changers, will happen less and less as the "easier" stuff has already been worked out.

Cautionary tale from 19th century:
"... So profound were these and other developments that it was generally accepted that all the important laws of physics had been discovered and that, henceforth, research would be concerned with clearing up minor problems and particularly with improvements of method and measurement."It only appears like we're not making discoveries because we don't have the perspective of historical hindsight.

For all we know, our (relatively) recent discovery of, say, Dark Matter will revolutionize the world in a decade or two.
For all we know, a new fundamental force will be discovered tomorrow that will usher in a whole new era of scientific discovery.
 
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I remember watching a seminar on issues in cosmology about 15 years ago on MIT OCW. The professor there predicted that in 10 years we will know what the Dark Matter is and also that in 10 years it will be concluded that the Dark Energy does not exist.

(Curiously, I can't find that seminar on the MIT site now.)
 
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Maximum7 said:
We don’t seem to be be making fundamental discoveries in science anymore.

I would ague that being able to measure gravitational waves has been pretty important.
Although not a discovery of a "fundamental" force it has revealed things not previously observable.
A whole new observational world.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Cautionary tale from 19th century:
"... So profound were these and other developments that it was generally accepted that all the important laws of physics had been discovered and that, henceforth, research would be concerned with clearing up minor problems and particularly with improvements of method and measurement."It only appears like we're not making discoveries because we don't have the perspective of historical hindsight.

For all we know, our (relatively) recent discovery of, say, Dark Matter will revolutionize the world in a decade or two.
For all we know, a new fundamental force will be discovered tomorrow that will usher in a whole new era of scientific discovery
The science community have a few targets to aim at I am not saying physics is a done deal.
I also said that a big technological step like a working quantum computer could be key in a major shift.
 

FAQ: Does the Universe have a finite number of fundamentals to uncover?

What are "fundamentals" in the context of the Universe?

Fundamentals in the context of the Universe refer to the basic building blocks and principles that govern the behavior and structure of everything within it. These include fundamental particles like quarks and electrons, fundamental forces like gravity and electromagnetism, and fundamental constants like the speed of light and Planck's constant.

Is there a limit to the number of fundamental particles in the Universe?

Current scientific understanding suggests that there is a finite number of fundamental particles as described by the Standard Model of particle physics. However, this model may not be complete, and future discoveries could reveal additional particles or even entirely new categories of fundamentals.

Can new fundamental forces be discovered?

Yes, it is possible that new fundamental forces could be discovered. While the Standard Model currently includes four fundamental forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear, and weak nuclear), theories such as string theory and other beyond-the-Standard-Model frameworks suggest the possibility of additional forces that we have not yet observed.

Are there fundamental constants that we have yet to discover?

It is possible that there are fundamental constants that we have yet to discover. The constants we currently know, like the speed of light, Planck's constant, and the gravitational constant, are critical to our understanding of physical laws. However, as our understanding of the Universe deepens, especially in areas like quantum gravity or dark matter, new constants could emerge.

Will we ever reach a point where we understand all the fundamentals of the Universe?

It is uncertain whether we will ever reach a point where we understand all the fundamentals of the Universe. While scientific progress continually brings us closer to a complete understanding, the complexity and vastness of the Universe may always leave room for new discoveries and deeper insights. The pursuit of knowledge is an ongoing process, and each discovery often leads to new questions.

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