Dynamics. Inclined plane with friction coefficient

In summary, the conversation discusses an exercise involving a body sliding up an inclined plane and determining the friction coefficient based on the time it takes to go up and down the plane. There is also a discussion about potential errors in the problem statement and solution.
  • #1
Pepealej
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I've got the following exercise, which I've done 3 times already and I think I haven't made any mistake:
A body is slid upwards through an inclined plane of angle [tex]\theta=15\degree[/tex]. Determine the friction coefficient of the body with the surface of the plane if the time it takes to go upwards [tex]t_a[/tex] is double the time it takes to go downwards [tex]t_b[/tex] ([tex]t_a=2t_b[/tex]).

Mi procedure is as follows:

The normal force: [tex]N=mg\cos(\theta)[/tex].

1. Upwards:

During the ascent the x componen of the weight and the friction force act in the same direction, therefore: [tex]a_a=-g\sin(\theta)-\mu g\cos(\theta)=-g(\sin(\theta)+\mu\cos(\theta))[/tex].

The ecuacion of space as a function of time is: [tex]x=2v_0 t_b -2g(\sin(\theta)+\mu\cos(\theta))t_b^2[/tex] (1).
The ecuation of speed as a function of time is: [tex]0=v_0 -2g(\sin(\theta)+\mu\cos(\theta))t_b[/tex] (2).

2. Downwards

During the descent the x component of the weight and the friction force act in opposite directions, therefore: [tex]a_a=-g\sin(\theta)+\mu g\cos(\theta)=-g(\sin(\theta)-\mu\cos(\theta))[/tex].

The ecuation of space as a function of time is: [tex]0=x-\frac{1}{2}g(\sin(\theta)-\mu\cos(\theta))t_b^2[/tex] (3).Combining (1), (2) and (3) we obtain:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}g(\sin(\theta)-\mu\cos(\theta))t_b^2=4g(\sin(\theta)+\mu\cos(\theta))t_b^2-2g(\sin(\theta)+\mu\cos(\theta))t_b^2[/tex]
[tex]\sin(\theta)-\mu\cos(\theta)=4\sin(\theta)+4\mu\cos(\theta)[/tex]
[tex]\mu=-\frac{3}{5}\tan(\theta)[/tex]

From here I deduce that a value for [tex]\mu[/tex], for with the conditions are met, doesn't exist. Is it correct?

Thanks! :)
 
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  • #2
From the calculation, I deduce that the object is given an initial push up the plane, then left to the mercies of gravity and friction. That was not clear from the description.
If so, it seems obvious to me that the descent will last longer than the ascent. So maybe the problem description is wrong and it should be tb = 2ta.
 
  • #3
haruspex said:
From the calculation, I deduce that the object is given an initial push up the plane, then left to the mercies of gravity and friction. That was not clear from the description.
If so, it seems obvious to me that the descent will last longer than the ascent. So maybe the problem description is wrong and it should be tb = 2ta.

Adding to that, the relation between ascent time and descent time depends on the push velocity given to the object, which is not specified. Is that the complete problem statement?

Also, there are several algebraic errors in the solution.
 
  • #4
haruspex said:
From the calculation, I deduce that the object is given an initial push up the plane, then left to the mercies of gravity and friction. That was not clear from the description.
If so, it seems obvious to me that the descent will last longer than the ascent. So maybe the problem description is wrong and it should be tb = 2ta.

Oh my.. That might be the mistake.. U_U Didn't notice that (the exercise is wirtten wrongly) Thanks. I'll see if that was the problem.
 
  • #5
Sourabh N said:
Adding to that, the relation between ascent time and descent time depends on the push velocity given to the object, which is not specified.
No, that doesn't affect the ratio.
Also, there are several algebraic errors in the solution.
Yes, but I suspect these were in transcribing it for the post. They all seem to cancel out later.
 
  • #6
Thanks for your replies. The problem was the question was wrongly written (tb=2ta, not ta=2tb). That was it :)
 

FAQ: Dynamics. Inclined plane with friction coefficient

What is the inclined plane with friction coefficient?

The inclined plane with friction coefficient is a simple machine that consists of a flat surface that is tilted at an angle and a coefficient of friction, which represents the resistance between two surfaces in contact.

How does the angle of the inclined plane affect its dynamics?

The angle of the inclined plane affects the dynamics by changing the amount of force needed to move an object up or down the plane. The steeper the angle, the greater the force needed to overcome gravity and friction.

What role does friction coefficient play in the dynamics of an inclined plane?

The friction coefficient plays a crucial role in the dynamics of an inclined plane. It determines the amount of friction between the surface of the plane and the object, which affects the acceleration and movement of the object.

How does the mass of the object impact its dynamics on an inclined plane with friction?

The mass of the object has a significant impact on its dynamics on an inclined plane with friction. Heavier objects require more force to move up the incline and are more affected by the friction coefficient.

What is the formula for calculating the force needed to move an object on an inclined plane with friction coefficient?

The formula for calculating the force needed to move an object on an inclined plane with friction coefficient is F = mg(sinθ + μcosθ), where F is the force required, m is the mass of the object, g is the acceleration due to gravity, θ is the angle of the incline, and μ is the coefficient of friction.

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