E to an imaginary power, equivalent expressions, inequal outcomes?

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The discussion centers on the properties of exponentiation involving complex numbers, specifically the expression e^(ix) = cos(x) + i sin(x). The original poster questions the validity of several equivalent expressions involving exponents, suggesting they should hold for all values of a, b, c, and d. However, responses clarify that these equivalences are only true for positive real numbers and do not hold for complex numbers, providing a counterexample to illustrate the point. The confusion arises from the differences in behavior between real and complex exponentiation. The conversation concludes with the original poster expressing gratitude for the clarification.
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I'm completely stumped. So is my high-school calculus teacher, but he hasn't done imaginary powers for forty-five years. Hopefully somebody can explain this...

To clarify, I understand the reasoning between the following equation:

e^{i x}=cos(x)+i sin(x)

Now, I need to put some things on the table

First, do you agree that the following is true:

a^{b c d}=(a^{b c})^d=(a^{b d})^c=(a^{c d})^b=(a^b)^{c d}=(a^c)^{b d}=(a^d)^{b c}

for all values of a, b, c, and d where the original expression is defined?

If not, tell me why...

If yes, let's continue.

I will now define a, b, c, and d.

a=e,b=\pi,c=i,d=\frac{1}{3}

Now, we'll go through some of the above equal expressions

a^{b c d}=e^{\frac{\pi}{3} i}=cos(\frac{\pi}{3})+i sin(\frac{\pi}{3})=\frac{1}{2}+i\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}=\frac{1+i\sqrt{3}}{2}

(a^{b c})^d=(e^{\pi i})^{\frac{1}{3}}=(cos(\pi)+i sin(\pi))^{\frac{1}{3}}=((-1)+i*(0))^{\frac{1}{3}}=(-1)^{\frac{1}{3}}=-1

(a^{b d})^c=(e^{\frac{\pi}{3}})^i=(2.849653908\ldots)^i=\frac{1+i\sqrt{3}}{2}

(a^{c d})^b=(e^{\frac{i}{3}})^\pi=(cos(\frac{1}{3})+i sin(\frac{1}{3}))^\pi=(0.944956946\ldots+0.327194697\ldots i)^\pi=\frac{1+i\sqrt{3}}{2}

I won't do any of the form (a^x)^(y z), because my problem is already present...

If the first expressions I mentioned are indeed equivalent, then why is the second one that I evaluated negative one?

It is completely confusing.

Oh, and hello to the forum for the first time :P
 
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daniel.e2718 said:
First, do you agree that the following is true:

a^{b c d}=(a^{b c})^d=(a^{b d})^c=(a^{c d})^b=(a^b)^{c d}=(a^c)^{b d}=(a^d)^{b c}

No it's not. It is true for positive reals, but just because it is true for that doesn't mean it is true for all complex numbers.
It's easy to show that it fails because we have a counterexample: for an integer n
e^{1+2ni\pi} = e
(e^{1+2ni\pi})^{1+2ni\pi} = e
Multiply the exponents out and divide by e
e^{-4\pi^2 n^2} = 1
which is nonsense. I've left out some steps so its a good exercise to put them back in.
 
pwsnafu said:
No it's not. It is true for positive reals, but just because it is true for that doesn't mean it is true for all complex numbers.

Okay, that's what I was looking for. The last time I did anything with proofs was two years ago in 10th grade geometry, and it mostly fill-in-the-blank. Thanks though!
 
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