Enthelpy of formation at non standard conditions

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The discussion centers on determining the enthalpy of formation for Ga2O3 and Ga2O at low pressure (ultra high vacuum) and high temperature. The initial inquiry highlights the challenge of obtaining enthalpy values under these conditions. Suggestions include consulting books with enthalpy-pressure diagrams and using the relationship ∂H/∂P=(V−T∂/V∂T)dP for calculations, which requires a PVT relation. The van der Waals equation is proposed for Ga2O, while the approach for Ga2O3 remains unclear. It is noted that if the compounds are solid, pressure effects can be neglected due to small volume changes. For gaseous states, the ideal gas law is applicable, especially at low pressures and high temperatures, allowing for the assumption of ideal behavior. The discussion concludes that while starting from standard atmospheric pressure is necessary, the ideal gas behavior simplifies the calculations.
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Hi,

I want to know the enthalpy of formation of Ga2O3 and Ga2O at low pressure (ultra high vacuum) and high temperature.

Temperature seems easy, but I'm not sure how to get the enthalpy values for low pressures.

Does anyone know if there are books with enthalpy - pressure diagrams of these compounds?

It should be also possible to calculate it from the value at atandard conditions using ∂H/∂P=(V−T∂/V∂T)dP, but one needs a PVT relation. For Ga2O maybe the van der Waals equation for non-ideal gases? And for Ga2O3?

Cheers,
Julius
 
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When it comes to data and diagrams, best starting point is often a library - librarians are trained to know where to look for information (they may not know what it means, but they know where to look for it ;) ).
 
If the Ga compounds are solid at the T and p in question, you can probably neglect them, as ##\int V dp## is very small due to V being small.
If they are gaseous, they are certainly described well by the ideal gas law which works best at low p and high T. So the pressure dependence vanishes, too, as ##V-T \partial V/\partial T=0## for an ideal gas.
 
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Thank you for the replies! :)

Yes, at low pressures I can use the ideal gas law, but I need to start from standard atmosphere pressure, so I think i still need an other PVT relation, right?
 
No, as T is high
 
I pondered about this question a bit more and there occurred something to me: For gasses, the standard state is a hypothetical state where the ideal behaviour at infinitely low pressure is extrapolated to 1 atmosphere.
So you can assume ideal behaviour for the gas by definition.
This is not very relevant in your case as gasses at standard pressure and temperature usually behave quite ideally.
 
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