Fail Academia: Keys to Dismissing Funding Metrics Over Quality Science

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In summary: It is rather strange. That university does not have tenure track positions. A tenured position becomes available when a faculty member with tenure leaves the university by retirement, death, or moving to another institution. At that time, all junior faculty that can be considered for tenure compete for that now open tenured slot.I'm not sure which school you are referring to.
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Keys to failure in academia. Basically he says that it's all about conforming to the funding organizations' metrics, which don't necessarily have anything to do with good science.

 
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I wonder how many untold stories there are.

As for me, I had no delusions about an academic career well before my dissertation defense.

BTW the sitar background music in the video was distracting.
 
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I wonder how many untold stories there are.
At least one per failure, regardless of profession.
 
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Hornbein said:
Keys to failure in academia. Basically he says that it's all about conforming to the funding organizations' metrics, which don't necessarily have anything to do with good science.
Yes, but that is hardly news. It is also not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm not saying the system is perfect -far from it- but I also do not subscribe to the idea that we should just give money to scientists and then let us do what we want with it. Doing research is often very, very expensive and if we are talking about work ultimately funded by the public, they do have a right to have a say about what we do and what work to prioritise.
I have a lab with millions of pounds worth of kit, most of it paid for by the UK taxpayers, and the total cost of running my group is not insignificant. I do NOT believe that I should just be allowed to do whatever I want with my funding.

Moreover, science is very competitive and there isn't nearly enough money to fund all ideas for research that could be done. High-impact publications etc is most definitely not a perfect metric for "good" science, but it does give some indication of how significant your work is considered to be by your peers.

Lastly, is it even possible to define what "good" science means? There are obviously criteria for how the science is carried out (using the right methods, being transparent etc), but I am not sure how would go about deciding what is "best" if you compare say one research project in theoretical cosmology with another aiming to develop better vaccines?

I suspect that unless we are careful there is a real risk that this turns into a thread about politics...
 
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Moreover, science is very competitive and there isn't nearly enough money to fund all ideas for research that could be done. High-impact publications etc is most definitely not a perfect metric for "good" science, but it does give some indication of how significant your work is considered to be by your peers.
Within this context, how do the professional communities respond the the growing emphasis on Open Science and Public Outreach? How do those charged with hiring decisions, promotion and tenure decisions, and funding decisions view and compare open publications to conventional subscription journal publications? How are junior faculty in particular protected when they openly publish their data and results? Are public outreach activities indicative of a superior candidate?

Different segments of the scientific community appear to be either embracing Open Science (high-energy physics and astronomy) or effectively rejecting the concept (chemistry). At one Ivy League university in the US, junior faculty from a broad range of departments and disciplines compete for a single available tenure position. Within such a competition, how are the different cultural perspectives on scholarly productivity to be approached?
 
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That video in post 1 is too long to watch. I got through about 6 minutes. The guy is saying, 'too much of a rush to publish papers'.

The sitar background music is maybe not too distracting.
 
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At one Ivy League university in the US, junior faculty from a broad range of departments and disciplines compete for a single available tenure position.

Can you explain further? This sounds weird to me.
 
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Can you explain further? This sounds weird to me.
It is rather strange. That university does not have tenure track positions. A tenured position becomes available when a faculty member with tenure leaves the university by retirement, death, or moving to another institution. At that time, all junior faculty that can be considered for tenure compete for that now open tenured slot.

A physicist, a musician, a biologist, an historian compete for the same tenured position.

That is my understanding of how that system functions.
 
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Hyperfine said:
It is rather strange. That university does not have tenure track positions. A tenured position becomes available when a faculty member with tenure leaves the university by retirement, death, or moving to another institution. At that time, all junior faculty that can be considered for tenure compete for that now open tenured slot.

A physicist, a musician, a biologist, an historian compete for the same tenured position.

That is my understanding of how that system functions.

Can you just say which school this is? It doesn't seem like this is a secret that no one can know about.
 
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Can you just say which school this is? It doesn't seem like this is a secret that no one can know about.
I never implied it was a secret, and certainly I could say which university it is. But what difference does it make which it is beyond being an Ivy League and thus certainly "mainstream"?
 
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Hyperfine said:
But what difference does it make which it is beyond being an Ivy League and thus certainly "mainstream"?
Confirming your information.
 
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I never implied it was a secret, and certainly I could say which university it is. But what difference does it make which it is beyond being an Ivy League and thus certainly "mainstream"?

You're the one who asked how this mystery school compares faculty from different areas. I don't know how we're supposed to answer that.

Without further info I speculate you're thinking of Harvard and just describing their ad hoc committee badly.
 
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Keys to failure in academia. Basically he says that it's all about conforming to the funding organizations' metrics, which don't necessarily have anything to do with good science.
Well, in international maritime law, when two ships collide, the responsibility is, a priori, of both. I haven't seen the video; I sense it's biased. Personally think it's not worth it.
¿keys to failure in academia? My Jesuit education would direct me to look for the part of me that failed.
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FAQ: Fail Academia: Keys to Dismissing Funding Metrics Over Quality Science

What is the main argument of "Fail Academia: Keys to Dismissing Funding Metrics Over Quality Science"?

The main argument of "Fail Academia: Keys to Dismissing Funding Metrics Over Quality Science" is that the current academic system overly prioritizes funding metrics and financial success over the intrinsic quality and impact of scientific research. The book advocates for a shift in focus towards valuing rigorous, innovative, and meaningful scientific contributions rather than merely chasing funding and financial metrics.

How do funding metrics negatively impact scientific research quality?

Funding metrics can negatively impact scientific research quality by incentivizing researchers to prioritize projects that are more likely to secure funding rather than those that are most scientifically valuable or innovative. This can lead to a focus on short-term, incremental research rather than long-term, high-risk, high-reward projects. Additionally, it can create a competitive rather than collaborative research environment, potentially stifling creativity and the sharing of knowledge.

What alternatives to funding metrics does the book propose for evaluating scientific research?

The book proposes several alternatives to funding metrics for evaluating scientific research, including peer review by independent experts, assessments of the long-term impact and innovation of research, and the use of qualitative measures such as the significance of research findings and their potential to advance knowledge. It also suggests incorporating feedback from a broader range of stakeholders, including practitioners and the public, to provide a more holistic evaluation of research quality.

Can you give examples of successful research projects that might have been overlooked if judged only by funding metrics?

Examples of successful research projects that might have been overlooked if judged only by funding metrics include foundational scientific discoveries such as the development of the theory of relativity by Albert Einstein or the discovery of penicillin by Alexander Fleming. These groundbreaking discoveries were not initially driven by funding incentives and might have been considered too risky or speculative to secure funding in a metrics-driven system. Their profound impact on science and society demonstrates the importance of valuing research quality over financial metrics.

How can academic institutions shift their focus from funding metrics to quality science?

Academic institutions can shift their focus from funding metrics to quality science by adopting policies that recognize and reward high-quality, innovative research regardless of its funding status. This can include revising tenure and promotion criteria to emphasize research impact and significance, providing internal funding and support for high-risk, high-reward projects, and fostering a culture that values collaboration and knowledge sharing over competition for funding. Additionally, institutions can engage in advocacy to influence funding agencies and policymakers to adopt more holistic evaluation criteria that prioritize research quality.

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