Find unknowns in equation going from perfect square? to quadratic format?

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem where the goal is to solve for variables a, b, and c in the equation (6x+2z)^2-64=(ax+2z+8)(-8+bx+cz). The method being used is equating coefficients, but the proposed values for a, b, and c are incorrect. The correct values are a = 6, b = 6, and c = 2, which are obtained by expanding the equation and equating coefficients. The conversation ends with a note about the importance of the equation being true for all values of x and y.
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Hi all

I'm trying to work out how to answer this type of problem.

\(\displaystyle (6x+2z)^2-64=(ax+2z+8)(-8+bx+cz)\) where a, b and c > 0

I have attempted the problem by expanding the brackets:

\(\displaystyle =36x^2+24xz+4z^2-64\)

This is the same as \(\displaystyle (6x+2z)^2-(8)^2\)

Then subtracting from either 'side' of the quadratic and multiplying the result:

\(\displaystyle =((6x+2z)-8)*((6x+2z)+8)\)

So visually comparing these results I got
\(\displaystyle a=6\\
b=2\\
c=2\)

But this is wrong.

I think my method may be wrong.

I'm looking for guidance on how to solve this kind of problem.

I hope one of you can help.

Many thanks

Daniel
 
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Hi danielw and welcome to MHB! :D

The method you're using is usually called "equating coefficients" and it's a good approach. Review your work and try $a=b=6,\,c=2$.
 
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Note that, in order to be able to solve for a, b, and c, the equation must be true for all x and y.
 
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danielw said:
[tex]\text {Solve for }a,b,c: \;(6x+2z)^2-64\:=\: (ax+2z+8)(bx+cz-8) [/tex]

[tex]\text{Expand: }\;36x^2 +24xz + 4z^2 - 64 \;=\;abx^2 + acxz - 8ax + 2bxz +2cz^2 - 16z + 8bx + 8cz - 64[/tex]

[tex]\text{Equate coefficients: }\;\;36 \:=\:ab, \quad 24 \:=\:ac + 2b, \quad 4 \:=\:2c, \quad 8b-8a - 0, \quad 8c - 16 \:=\:0 [/tex]

[tex]\text{And we get: }\;\;\boxed{ a = 6,\;b = 6,\;c = 2}[/tex]
 

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How do I identify a perfect square in an equation?

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What is the process for going from perfect square to quadratic format?

The process for going from perfect square to quadratic format involves completing the square. This means taking the coefficient of the x term, dividing it by 2, and squaring it. Then, add this value to both sides of the equation. The result will be a quadratic equation in the form (x + a)^2 = b.

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If you have completed the square and get a solution in the form (x + a)^2 = b, there will be two possible solutions. If you get a negative value when taking the square root, there will be no real solutions.

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