Finding Velocity: Ek of the Trolley

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The discussion focuses on calculating the velocity (v) of a falling mass and its impact on the kinetic energy (Ek) of a trolley. Initially, the gravitational potential energy is calculated as 5J, but an error occurs in the mass used for the kinetic energy formula. The correct approach involves using the total mass of both the falling weight and the trolley, leading to a revised calculation of v as 2.24. Substituting this value into the kinetic energy formula yields the correct result of 3.7J. The key takeaway is the importance of including the total mass in energy transfer calculations.
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The diagram shows a trolley being pulled from rest along a horizontal table by a falling mass. The trolley mass is 1.5 kg and the falling mass is 0.50 kg. The mass falls through 1.0m. what is the maximum kinetic energy of the trolley?
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Ek= 1/2 mv²
Ek of the trolley = 1/2×1.5×v²
How are we going to find the v (velocity) to put into the formula?
 

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What form of energy does the falling mass have at the beginning of the experiment? What form of energy does the falling mass have at the end?

Remember that Energy is conserved, but it can change form.
 
Before the fall, the falling mass has gravitational potential energy and when the mass is falling, that gravitational potential energy is changing to Kinetic energy So,
Gravitational potential energy=mg∆h=0.5×10×1=5J
Kinetic energy=Gravitational potential energy
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²
v=√5÷0.25=4.5
Using the value of v=4.5 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×4.5²=15 J. My answer is still coming 15J while the correct answer is 3.7J. Kindly tell where am I going wrong?
 
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haha0p1 said:
Before the fall, the falling mass has gravitational potential energy and when the mass is falling, that gravitational potential energy is changing to Kinetic energy So,
Gravitational potential energy=mg∆h=0.5×10×1=5J
Kinetic energy=Gravitational potential energy
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²
v=√5÷0.25=4.5
Using the value of v=4.5 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×4.5²=15 J. My answer is still coming 15J while the correct answer is 3.7J. Kindly tell where am I going wrong?

5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²

I'm pretty sure the 0.5 I've highlighted in red is where you went wrong.
The change in potential energy to kinetic energy imparted by the falling weight is transferred to both the trolley and the weight.
 
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OmCheeto said:
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×0.5×v²= 0.25×v²

I'm pretty sure the 0.5 I've highlighted in red is where you went wrong.
The change in potential energy to kinetic energy imparted by the falling weight is transferred to both the trolley and the weight.
5=1/2 mv²=1/2 ×(0.5+1.5)×v²= 1×v²
v=√5=2.24
Using the value of v=2.24 for the kinectic energy formula of the trolley, we have:
Ek=1/2×1.5×2.24²=3.7J
Yes, Now I am getting the right answer.
 
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