Finite quantum well, factor of 2*pi seems necessary but why?

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The discussion revolves around solving for the allowed energy values of a finite square quantum well with specific parameters. The participant initially derived an equation from the time-independent Schrödinger equation but struggled to match expected energy values. They discovered that adjusting the electron mass to 6.28 times the standard mass (2πm) aligned their results with the expected energy levels. A suggestion was made to ensure the correct use of \hbar instead of h, as this could explain the factor of 2π in their calculations. Ultimately, the participant learned the importance of verifying assumptions and calculations, especially when dealing with interpolation methods for energy values.
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Homework Statement


Solve for the allowed energy values E of a finite square quantum well of depth U0 = 25eV, width a = 0.5nm that contains an electron of mass m (I'm presuming that m = 9.11*10^-31kg, the question doesn't indicate a specific value to use).

I'm defining the interior potential to be 0eV (so that the walls are +25eV).
I'm also defining the well as extending over x = [0,a]

Homework Equations


Time-independent schrodinger equation in 1 dimension + some basic DE stuff.

The Attempt at a Solution


Starting from the TISE, I end up with the following:

2 * sqrt(E*U0 - E^2) / (2E - U0)
= tan(sqrt(2*m*E)*a/hbar)

Upto there I'd (apparently) done things correctly. However, when I estimated the value(s) of E which satisfy the equation numerically I did not get the results that were expected. I did the estimation using openoffice spreadsheet. The tan function is using radians.

My first thought was to see if my value assumed for the electron mass was wrong, so I tried multiples in the range m' = [0.5m,2m] just to see what happened to the results and noticed that the higher the value of m', the closer the values of E that solved the equation came to those I was indicated to have gotten. I tried m'=10m and found that it pushes the values of E too far, so I started iterating through some values until I ended up settling down to m'=6.28m which struck me as being 2*pi*m.

The RHS of the equation now looks like:

RHS = tan(sqrt(2*(2*pi)*m*E)*a/hbar)

and results in a reproduction of the given energy values (there are five, approximately at {1.123, 4.461, 9.905, 17.162, 24.782}eV).

I don't understand why this works, however, especially when the 2*pi is inside the square root.
 
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Using your original equations, I found five solutions close to the ones you listed.

What value are you using for \hbar? The factor of 2π could arise if you're using h instead of \hbar.

Here's a little trick you can use to make evaluating the argument of the tangent a bit easier:

\frac{\sqrt{2mE}}{\hbar}a = \frac{\sqrt{2(mc^2)E}}{\hbar c}a

where c is the speed of light. The mass of the electron is 511000 eV/c2, and the combination \hbar c is equal to 197 eV nm (this is a useful combination to know). If you measure E in eV and a in nm, all the units cancel as you need them to.
 
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vela said:
What value are you using for \hbar? The factor of 2π could arise if you're using h instead of \hbar.


I've been using the value \hbar = 6.58 * 10-16 eV.s
Also, for m I was using 9.11 * 10-31kg

I did wonder if maybe I'd messed up with \hbar vs h, but with the 2π inside the square root rather than outside along with \hbar or h made me question that.

I'll use the constant values you've cited and see what I get.

Things seem to work out nicely! Thanks very much.

Incidentally I've just learned a very good lesson from this - I was making assumptions that the values I obtained from the fudge I described above were within reasonable error margins of the values I was given as correct - however I failed to notice that the values were infact _not_ consistent with calculation error because I'd been doing a simple linear interpolation of the value of E which was the root, which was reasonably accurate for the lower E values given the number of digits I was calculating with, but it actually diverged for the higher ones and I hadn't bothered to check more than a glance and just assumed they worked out (why wouldn't they, a factor of 2*pi just _couldn't_ be a coincidence, right?) ...:redface:
 
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