Frequency of pendulum in the presence of electric field

  • #1
songoku
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Homework Statement
A tiny neutral sphere with mass 𝑚 is suspended from a massless string of length 𝐿 in the presence of a uniform electric field 𝐸 pointing in +y direction. The ball undergoes small oscillations, exhibiting simple harmonic motion with a known frequency of ##\omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{L}}##. Upon introducing a positive charge 𝑞 to the sphere, what will happen to the frequency? It is assumed that 𝑚𝑔 > 𝑞𝐸.
A) increase
B) decrease
C) remain the same
D) the motion is no longer simple harmonic
Relevant Equations
F = Eq

F = ma

##a=-\omega^2 x##
I imagine the setup to be like this: the pendulum is moving horizontally, then it will experience electric force upwards so there is additional upwards acceleration, in addition to the acceleration from restoring force.

Since the resultant of the two accelerations is not directed horizontally towards the equilibrium point, I thought the acceleration is not directly proportional to displacement anymore so the answer would be (D), but the correct answer is (B)

What is my mistake?

Thanks
 
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  • #2
songoku said:
Homework Statement: A tiny neutral sphere with mass 𝑚 is suspended from a massless string of length 𝐿 in the presence of a uniform electric field 𝐸 pointing in +y direction. The ball undergoes small oscillations, exhibiting simple harmonic motion with a known frequency of ##\omega=\sqrt{\frac{g}{L}}##. Upon introducing a positive charge 𝑞 to the sphere, what will happen to the frequency? It is assumed that 𝑚𝑔 > 𝑞𝐸.
A) increase
B) decrease
C) remain the same
D) the motion is no longer simple harmonic
Relevant Equations: F = Eq

F = ma

##a=-\omega^2 x##

I imagine the setup to be like this: the pendulum is moving horizontally, then it will experience electric force upwards so there is additional upwards acceleration, in addition to the acceleration from restoring force.

Since the resultant of the two accelerations is not directed horizontally towards the equilibrium point, I thought the acceleration is not directly proportional to displacement anymore so the answer would be (D), but the correct answer is (B)

What is my mistake?

Thanks
I can see argument for (B) but I am unconvinced. I feel we need to be careful, and not assume it can be treated as purely horizontal motion.
With that in mind, which way does the electric force act?
 
  • #3
haruspex said:
I can see argument for (B) but I am unconvinced. I feel we need to be careful, and not assume it can be treated as purely horizontal motion.
Although the question has already stated that the motion is SHM, we still can't assume it to be purely horizontal motion?

haruspex said:
With that in mind, which way does the electric force act?
upward
 
  • #4
songoku said:
Although the question has already stated that the motion is SHM, we still can't assume it to be purely horizontal motion?
It clearly cannot be purely horizontal, no matter how small the perturbation. Much safer to treat it accurately at first, only making approximations later.
songoku said:
upward
What causes the force? Quote an equation.
 
  • #5
haruspex said:
What causes the force? Quote an equation.
The electric field causes the electric force. The equation is F = Eq
 
  • #6
songoku said:
The electric field causes the electric force. The equation is F = Eq
I'm sorry… I misread it as magnetic field and took the y direction as into the page, z being vertical. Let me start again…

Right, the electric force is purely vertical. What other force acting is vertical?
 
  • #7
If you treat it as purely horizontal motion then there is no oscillation even in the pure gravity case …

In this case, the gravitational force in the y direction is replaced by a gravitational and electric force ##-mg \to -mg + qE = -m(g - qE/m)##. The implications for the frequency should be straightforward.
 
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  • #8
haruspex said:
Right, the electric force is purely vertical. What other force acting is vertical?
Weight and vertical component of tension

Orodruin said:
If you treat it as purely horizontal motion then there is no oscillation even in the pure gravity case …

In this case, the gravitational force in the y direction is replaced by a gravitational and electric force ##-mg \to -mg + qE = -m(g - qE/m)##. The implications for the frequency should be straightforward.
We don't need to consider tension?
 
  • #9
songoku said:
We don't need to consider tension?
Tension is what it needs to be to maintain circular motion. Just as in the case with only a gravitational field.
 
  • #10
songoku said:
Weight and vertical component of tension

The easiest way to look at this, as @Orodruin describes, is to note that adding a constant upward force is equivalent to reducing g.

Another way is to resolve into forces along the pendulum arm and normal to it. The tension acts along the arm of the pendulum, which means it has no component in the direction of the velocity of the mass. Thus, it does not feature in the equation for the angular acceleration, so does not affect the period. Likewise, the components of g and the electric force that act in that direction. That leaves their components normal to the pendulum, and these oppose, so the electric force reduces the restoring force.
 

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