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PeterDonis
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Grinkle said:I propose that a reasonable definition of bends is something that does not follow a geodesic.
This is a reasonable definition of a path bending, yes; i.e., it's what it means to say that a circle, for example, is curved in Euclidean geometry, as opposed to a straight line. However, note that this definition of curvature is extrinsic--it depends on the curve being embedded in a higher dimensional space in a particular way.
However, when we say in GR that spacetime is curved, we are talking about intrinsic curvature--curvature that can be defined simply by the intrinsic features of the manifold, without making use of any embedding in any higher dimensional space. There is no such thing for a one-dimensional curve; the lowest dimension a manifold can have and have intrinsic curvature at all is 2. And in 2 or more dimensions, the definition of "curved" is "has a nonzero Riemann tensor"--or, to put it in more concrete terms, that parallel transporting a vector around a closed curve does not leave the vector unchanged.
Grinkle said:Its shape, whatever it is, defines straight. Any two points in a spacetime are connected by a geodesic.
This is true, but it only means that we can always find a straight curve--straight in the sense of extrinsic curvature, i.e., no bending of the path, i.e., a geodesic--between any two points. It does not mean that there is no difference at all between, for example, a flat Euclidean plane and a 2-sphere like the surface of the Earth. There is; but that difference cannot be captured by just looking at individual geodesics. You have to look at how multiple geodesics "fit together", so to speak--for example, by looking at what happens to a vector when you parallel transport it around a closed curve composed of geodesic segments, which is what the Riemann tensor describes.