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PhysicsRocks88
How in the hell do you expect someone to listen to a racist?
Originally posted by Netme
You know ****s ****ed up when the tallest man is cool person, the best golfer is a cool person, the best rapper is white trash, france is calling us ignorant, and germany don't want to go to war.
That is not necessarily true.. How do you know god exists under the same existential rules we exist by? If god were to create existence god would not have to abide by the same rules since he created it in the first place. What if existence applied only to our being and the being of god was true and unquestionable in terms of our definition of existence. If we actually have a creator, the fundamental rules it exists by cannot be known for sure which makes your absense of creator theory ultimitly unproven.Originally posted by heusdens
I see.
You are obviously confused.
For the material world to exist, no creator/creation is needed.
You really don't "solve" anything, by pointing to a "creator" (cause it would for the SAME reason, rais the question: who created the creator).
Etymology of the Word "God"
(Anglo-Saxon God; German Gott; akin to Persian khoda; Hindu khooda).
God can variously be defined as:
- the proper name of the one Supreme and Infinite Personal Being, the Creator and Ruler of the universe, to whom man owes obedience and worship;
- the common or generic name of the several supposed beings to whom, in polytheistic religions, Divine attributes are ascribed and Divine worship rendered;
- the name sometimes applied to an idol as the image or dwelling-place of a god.
The root-meaning of the name (from Gothic root gheu; Sanskrit hub or emu, "to invoke or to sacrifice to") is either "the one invoked" or "the one sacrificed to." From different Indo-Germanic roots (div, "to shine" or "give light"; thes in thessasthai "to implore") come the Indo-Iranian deva, Sanskrit dyaus (gen. divas), Latin deus, Greek theos, Irish and Gaelic dia, all of which are generic names; also Greek Zeus (gen. Dios, Latin Jupiter (jovpater), Old Teutonic Tiu or Tiw (surviving in Tuesday), Latin Janus, Diana, and other proper names of pagan deities. The common name most widely used in Semitic occurs as 'el in Hebrew, 'ilu in Babylonian, 'ilah in Arabic, etc.; and though scholars are not agreed on the point, the root-meaning most probably is "the strong or mighty one."
P.J. TONER
Transcribed by Tomas Hancil
The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VI
Originally posted by Netme
That is not necessarily true.. How do you know god exists under the same existential rules we exist by? If god were to create existence god would not have to abide by the same rules since he created it in the first place. What if existence applied only to our being and the being of god was true and unquestionable in terms of our definition of existence. If we actually have a creator, the fundamental rules it exists by cannot be known for sure which makes your absense of creator theory ultimitly unproven.
Originally posted by heusdens
I don't need to proof anything. If you claim God exists, instead it is you that needs to proof things.
The world without creation/creator, as a material process evolving in all of eternity, is a conceiveable, and from our inquiries on the material causes of a wide range of phenomena, previously unknow, we know from science the material causes. We know how life evolved, and how simple organisms in the course of time developed into more complex human beings, we know how stars evolve, we have some idea how the universe evolved from a previous more dense, and more hot and compacter state, we know what matter is composed of, etc. etc.
All facts that proof how good the assumption of materialism really is, and no need for a creator there.
So the material reasoning is without any competition, since there has not been nor will ever be any proof for the existence of God.
The concept of God is too vague for it ever being disprovable, but that does not constitute one bit of proof for the existence of God.
How would you explain the begginings of the creator?Originally posted by Netme
Surely there must be a beggining to all this and how would you explain the begginings of the universe if there were no creator to start it.
Originally posted by BoulderHead
How would you explain the begginings of the creator?
Originally posted by Netme
Time may not apply to our creator.
Ive already given a explanation for that.Originally posted by heusdens
Therefore existence might not apply to the concept of this "creator"
Originally posted by heusdens
The first category of existence is therefore the category of material existence. This category of existence implies that the things that belong to this category exist in a timely, spacely fashion, and undergo change/motion,
Are there other categories of existence?
Well yes there are, and they can be designated to have existence as well, because we can define this category of existence within our mind.
What praying or meditating does is it forces you to focus on certain things And to help you think more clearly that is all.Originally posted by Royce
Are there only two catagories of existence? I submit that there is at least one more that none of you have so far mentioned. The spiritual category of existence. I realize that such a plane of existence cannot be proved (unless your a spiritualist or mystic, shaman etc.) The spirit plane by definition exist outside of space time. It is devoid of matter and physical energy and time. The buddhist and other asian religions refer to it as the Void. Some christians think of it as heaven. Suppose that God exists in the spirit world but can when he wants or sees the need transcend it and communicate or influence the Material world as well as the mental world of existence.
How can I prove that such a world exists? I can't by any scientific, materialistic evidence. By subjective evidence I personally testify to it existence as well as millions of others possible including yourself, heusdens. This of course is not acceptable truth or evidence and I won't pursue that line any longer.
How do I know God exists? Simply for the same reasons that I know you exist. I ask you a question and you answer with information that I did not previously know. I ask God, "ask and you shall know",
and then I knew. I knew the complete answer, knew it to be true and knew many if not all of the implications and ramifications of the answer. That for me was enough 'kicking the rock' to be sure it existed though I've done it many times.
Is this enought to prove that God exists? No, not by any means other than to myself.
Am I self delusional? Possibly but I can't figure out how I deluded myself into knowing and understanding something that I did not know or understand before. Am I a liar? Possibly, but prove it. Can you reproduce the experiment and get the same or comperable results to validate my experience? I don't know. Try it and see. Ask a question of God. Meditate or contemplate or do nothing about it for a while and see for yourself if your question is answered. Let me know.