Hamiltonian Cylinder: Mass m, Radius R, Force F=-kx

In summary, a particle of mass m is constrained to move on the surface of a cylinder with radius R, where R^2 = x^2 + y^2. The particle is subject to a force directed towards the origin, related by F = -kx. The Hamiltonian H is found to be H = \frac{1}{2}m(R^2(\frac{p_{\theta}}{mR^2})^2 + (\frac{p_z}{m})^2 - \frac{1}{2}kz^2, but the last term has the wrong sign. The term \frac{1}{2}mR^2 is dropped because it is a constant and does not affect
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Homework Statement


Particle of mass m constrained to move on the surface of a cylinder radius R, where [itex]R^2 = x^2 + y^2[/itex]. Particle subject to force directed towards origin and related by F = -kx

Homework Equations


L = T - U
H = T + U

The Attempt at a Solution


So I have the solution, but not sure why they did a step. Here goes:
They find that [tex]L = \frac{1}{2}m(R^2\dot{\theta^2} + \dot{z^2} - \frac{1}{2}k(R^2 + z^2),[/tex] which I agree with.

They then find that [tex] p_{\theta} = mR^2\dot{\theta},[/tex] and [tex] p_z = m\dot{z}, [/tex] and then then since H = T+U they state that [tex] H = \frac{1}{2}m(R^2(\frac{p_{\theta}}{mR^2})^2 + (\frac{p_z}{m})^2 - \frac{1}{2}kz^2. [/tex] My question is where did the [itex] \frac{1}{2}mR^2[/itex] in the potential energy go? Why did they cancel it? I know that it is constant, and everything else seems to have a varying component, but why does that mean you can simply do away with it? Is this always the case?

Thanks,
Ari
 
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The last term of H has the wrong sign.

It looks like they dropped the term because it's a constant, and yes, you can always throw it out. The equations of motion depend in the derivatives of H, so a constant term won't make a difference.
 
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Yeah, your right, the sign is wrong. I understand that the equations of motion are based on the derivatives, and thus all constant terms are thrown out, but I assumed that if the question asked for the Hamiltonian and no further, that these constant terms would still be included. If it doesn't matter though, then thanks for the clarification!

Ari
 

FAQ: Hamiltonian Cylinder: Mass m, Radius R, Force F=-kx

What is a Hamiltonian Cylinder?

A Hamiltonian Cylinder is a theoretical model used in physics to study the motion of a mass (m) attached to a spring with force constant (k) and moving in a circular path with a radius (R).

How is the Hamiltonian Cylinder related to Hamiltonian mechanics?

The Hamiltonian Cylinder is a specific example of a Hamiltonian system, which is a mathematical framework used to study the dynamics of physical systems. The Hamiltonian of the cylinder is the total energy of the system, and it is conserved as the mass moves around the cylinder.

What is the significance of the mass (m) and radius (R) in the Hamiltonian Cylinder?

The mass and radius determine the inertia and curvature of the cylinder, respectively. These parameters affect the dynamics of the system and can be adjusted to study different scenarios, such as the effect of a heavier mass or a larger radius on the motion.

How does the force (F) affect the motion of the mass in the Hamiltonian Cylinder?

The force (F) is a restoring force that acts on the mass and pulls it towards the center of the cylinder as it moves. This force is proportional to the displacement (x) of the mass from its equilibrium position and is described by Hooke's Law, F = -kx. As the mass moves, the force changes direction and magnitude, resulting in circular motion around the cylinder.

How can the Hamiltonian Cylinder be used to model real-world systems?

The Hamiltonian Cylinder is a simplified model that can be used to study the behavior of more complex systems, such as oscillating springs and circular motion. By adjusting the parameters and including additional forces, the Hamiltonian Cylinder can be used to analyze real-world scenarios and predict the motion of objects in these systems.

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