Harmonic oscillator expectation values

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The discussion revolves around calculating expectation values for position, momentum, and total energy of a harmonic oscillator in a superposition of its ground and first excited states. The user expresses confusion about the calculations, particularly regarding the application of the annihilation and creation operators on the states and the importance of orthogonality between the states. They clarify the notation and the need for careful handling of terms, especially in relation to time dependence and numerical factors. Ultimately, the user seeks confirmation on whether the inner products between different states yield zero, which would simplify the calculations significantly. The conversation emphasizes the necessity of precision in quantum mechanics calculations.
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I'm given that there is a harmonic oscillator in a state that is a superposition of the ground and first excited stationary states given by \psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\abs{\psi_0(x,t) + \psi_1(x,t)}, where \psi_0 = \psi_0(x)e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{\hbar}} and \psi_1 = \psi_1(x)e^{\frac{-iE_1t}{\hbar}}. I need to calculate expectation values for position, momentum, and total energy.

Here's what I've done: I'm assuming this is a simple harmonic oscillator, and for the x operator I have \frac{i}{\sqrt{2m\omega}}(a_- - a_+). I think that a- operating on Psi0 would be zero, and on Psi1 would be Psi0, and a+ operating on Psi0 would be Psi1, and on Psi1 would be Psi2. So... I have for <x>:

&lt;x&gt; = \frac{i}{2\sqrt{2m\omega}}&lt;\psi_0 + \psi_1 | \psi_0 - \psi_1 - \psi_2&gt;.. but.. uh.. how do you do this? I feel like I must have done something wrong. A push in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thanks so much!
 
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There's no way that expectation value could be zero, right? because &lt;\psi_n | \psi_{n+1}&gt; = 0, I think.. so all that stuff inside the <> would be zero. No?
 
land said:
I'm given that there is a harmonic oscillator in a state that is a superposition of the ground and first excited stationary states given by \psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\abs{\psi_0(x,t) + \psi_1(x,t)}

Is that supposed to be

\Psi = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \left( \abs{\Psi_0(x,t) + \Psi_1(x,t)} \right)?

Brackets are important, as are distinctions between upper case and lower case. For example,

\psi_0 = \psi_0(x)e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{\hbar}}

doesn't make sense without such a distinction. If fact, in this case, it doesn't make sense to write

\psi = \psi_{0} + \psi_{1},

since the sum of two energy eigenstates is not an energy eigenstate.

and on Psi1 would be Psi2.

No - don't forget the numerical factor.

Now calculate

\left&lt; \Psi \left| x \right | \Psi \right&gt;

by, as you did, replacing x with the appropriate, but don't to forget to include all the time dependences and other numerical factors.

Also, use the orthogonality condition that you gave in your last post.

I don't mean to sound so critical, but, in this calculation, it's important to get the details right.
 
I did mean to put brackets around it. I'm not sure why I didn't. I have trouble getting LaTeX to display things correctly sometimes.

Edit: nevermind, I'm an idiot and figured out what you were talking about. See next post for confusion.
 
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OK. I tried to go back through and put in the terms you were talking about, and I've gotten something.. but I'm still confused. I've gotten down to \frac{i}{2\sqrt{2m\omega}}&lt;\psi_0 + \psi_1 | \sqrt{\hbar\omega}\psi_0 - \sqrt{\hbar\omega}\psi_1 - \sqrt{2\hbar\omega}\psi_2&gt;. &lt;\psi_0 | \psi_0&gt; I know how to do, but &lt;\psi_0 | \psi_1&gt; I don't. So you said to use the orthoganility condition I brought up in my last post.. so is this just zero since it's Psi0 and Psi1? If not, here's what I'm getting for that, plugging in the x and t dependences: -\sqrt{\hbar\omega}&lt;\psi_0(x)e^{\frac{-iE_0t}{\hbar}} | \psi_1(x)e^{\frac{-iE_1t}{\hbar}}&gt;. I have no idea how to do that. So I hope it's zero.

So if it is, then the <Psi0 | Psi0> part of that would just be \sqrt{\hbar\omega}. That seems way too easy though.
 
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