Help With Units in General Relativity

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In summary, the author states that the book uses c = G = 1 as its convention. In chapter 11, specifically in the "Conserved quantities" unit, there are graphs with a root at r = 2M, where M is the mass of a Schwarchild Black Hole. The question is about how to recover the original length units, given a mass M in conventional units. The answer is to use the formula M = (GMconv)/c^2, where G is the gravitational constant and c is the speed of light. This allows for conversion of mass units to length units in the system where G = c = 1.
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Hi people :)

I'm learning some of General Relativity topics but still I am a beginer, uh! i use the Schutz "A first course of general relativity", but i a little confused about the units, the author say it use c = G = 1 all around the book.
Just right now i reading chapter 11: Schwarchild Geometry and Black Holes". especifically "Conserved quantities" unit, and there, there is a couple of graphs V(r) vs r and in both graphs the root is "r = 2M" where M is the mass of the Schwarchild Black Hole, so my question is how i recover the original lenghts units? i mean if M =1000M(Sun) then i can't say the distance r is 2000M(Sun).

Thanks in advance

(Sorry if a silly question :frown: )
 
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how i recover the original lenghts units?

The mass ##M## in length units can be found by taking the mass ##M_{\text{conv}}## in conventional units and applying the formula:

$$
M = \frac{G M_{\text{conv}}}{c^2}
$$

where ##G## is Newton's gravitational constant and ##c## is the speed of light. Basically, the mass ##M## in "length units" is the mass in a system of units in which ##G = c = 1##; in this system mass and length have the same units.
 
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More generally, dimensional analysis. You want a length (dimension ##L##), you've got a mass (dimension ##M##), and you only have G (dimension ##M^{-1}L^3T^{-2}##) and c (dimension ##LT^{-1}##) to play with. You need to multiply by ##G^ac^b## (##a## and ##b## are powers, not tensor indices) such that the dimensions match.

In this case, you have ##r=G^ac^bM##, the dimensions of which are ##L=M^{-a}L^{3a}T^{-2a}L^bT^{-b}M##. Comparing powers of M, L, T gives you

M: ##0=-a+1##
L: ##1=3a+b##
T: ##0=-2a-b##

any pair of which solves to give you Peter's answer.

Informally, stick the SI units into what you have and multiply/divide by powers of G and c until they match.
 
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FAQ: Help With Units in General Relativity

What is the significance of units in general relativity?

Units are important in general relativity because they allow us to accurately measure and compare physical quantities. In this theory, space and time are not absolute but are instead influenced by the presence of matter and energy. Therefore, units help us to understand and describe the effects that matter and energy have on space and time.

How do units change in general relativity compared to classical physics?

In classical physics, units are typically fixed and do not change. However, in general relativity, the presence of matter and energy can alter the fundamental units of space and time. This is because general relativity views space and time as a single entity, called spacetime, which is curved by the presence of mass and energy. As a result, units in general relativity are relative and depend on the strength of the gravitational field.

Can different units be used in general relativity?

Yes, different units can be used in general relativity as long as they are consistent with the theory. It is common to use either the standard SI units or natural units, where certain fundamental physical constants are set to 1. However, any system of units can be used as long as they are properly transformed to account for the effects of gravity.

How do units affect the equations of general relativity?

In general relativity, physical quantities are described by tensors, which are mathematical objects that have both magnitude and direction. Tensors are written in terms of units, and the choice of units can affect the numerical values of the tensors. However, the underlying equations of general relativity remain unchanged regardless of the choice of units.

Are there any special considerations for units in black hole physics?

Yes, units play a crucial role in black hole physics. The gravitational field of a black hole is so strong that it can significantly distort the units of length, time, and mass. This means that measurements taken near a black hole will be different from those taken in a region with weaker gravitational fields. Additionally, specific units, such as Planck units, are often used in black hole physics to accurately describe the extreme conditions near a black hole.

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