Hi there So i have a q from the realms of thermodynamics , should be

In summary: So, if you have water at 0°C and you reduce the pressure on it, the water will start to boil and vaporize. However, if you want to get a fraction of the water to freeze, you need to do more than just reduce the pressure-- you need to speed up the evaporation process.
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Hi there! So i have a q from the realms of thermodynamics , should be simple for you guys because I'm' in high school.
So ,i stumbled over a problem(NOT HW POST) and the text was rather interesting it said that in a vessel from which the air is quickly evacuated contains water at 0 Celsius,now the interesting part , the water gets an intensive vaporization which causes the left water to gradually freeze, anyway the problem asked what fraction of water(from the initial quantity) can be turned to ice knowing just λ for vaporization and λ for melting , and that 0C, no masses no nothing!
However , my question is how can the left water freeze because of an vaporization.
Just to be clear what they want to say is that , the water is quickly heated causing vaporization,right? And if they HEAT the water how can a fraction of it freeze?

It seems odd to me.


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Water will evaporate slowly at 0°C. Indeed even ice evaporates. The trick is to make the evaporation quick. The usual way to do this is to induce boiling (evaporation from inside the liquid as well as from the surface) by reducing the pressure on the surface. I've succeeded at about 30° using an ordinary rotary vacuum pump; whether it could be done in practice at 0°C I'm not sure...
 
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squareroot said:
Just to be clear what they want to say is that , the water is quickly heated causing vaporization,right?
No, the key to the problem is that you don't need to heat the water to get it to evaporate. Even at 0 C, water has some kinetic energy in its molecules, and a small number of those molecules will, just by chance, be moving much faster than the rest. Those are the ones that will evaporate, taking with them more than their fair share of kinetic energy (heat). This is why we sweat to cool us down-- the evaporation selects the particles with the lion's share of the kinetic energy, since they are the ones that have the energy to evaporate. Then, the ones left behind will have less kinetic energy on average, so the temperature drops further. In this case, the T can't drop because it's already at the freezing point, so instead some freezing occurs. The key issue for finding the final proportion of evaporated vs. frozen is simply the ratio of the energy taken away by the evaporation and the energy released by freezing, because the total energy stays the same. That's why you don't want to heat this at all-- you want to keep the same energy in there.
 

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What is thermodynamics?

Thermodynamics is the branch of physics that studies the relationship between heat, work, and energy. It deals with the behavior of systems at a macroscopic level, rather than at the atomic or molecular level.

What is the first law of thermodynamics?

The first law of thermodynamics, also known as the law of conservation of energy, states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred or converted from one form to another.

What is the second law of thermodynamics?

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system will always increase over time. This means that in any natural process, there will always be some energy that is lost as heat.

What is the difference between heat and temperature?

Heat is a form of energy that is transferred between two objects due to a temperature difference. Temperature is a measure of the average kinetic energy of the particles in a substance.

What are the three laws of thermodynamics?

The three laws of thermodynamics are the first law (law of conservation of energy), the second law (law of increasing entropy), and the third law (law of absolute zero, stating that the entropy of a pure, perfect crystal at absolute zero temperature is zero).

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