How Can Empty Space Be Curved?

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The discussion explores the concept of curved space, questioning how empty space can exhibit curvature. It clarifies that while space itself is a dimension, it is the properties of space-time that allow for this curvature, as described by Riemann Geometry rather than Euclidean Geometry. The bending of light around massive objects, such as the sun, serves as a key example that supports Einstein's Theory of General Relativity. The conversation emphasizes that "curved" space does not conform to traditional geometric rules, highlighting the complexities of understanding space-time. Overall, the discussion aims to demystify the relationship between mass and the curvature of space.
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Hello,
I just joined. I have no formal background in physics, just curiosity. So, my questions may well be simplistic to most of you. Hopefully, that is permissible, now and then! First question, if space, as it's usually defined, is empty, nothing, how can it be curved?
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Hankb said:
Hello,
I just joined. I have no formal background in physics, just curiosity. So, my questions may well be simplistic to most of you. Hopefully, that is permissible, now and then! First question, if space, as it's usually defined, is empty, nothing, how can it be curved?
Hankb
"space is curved" is a very poor (pop-science) way of describing what happens. I agree w/ you that space is just a dimension, not something that you (or anything) can bend, but space-time has mathematical properties that make things traveling in it ACT from the point of view of Euclidean Geometry, as though they are moving in a curve. In reality they are moving in a straight line (more properly a geodesic) but they are doing so in Riemann Geometry (which is the proper geometry to use in space-time) so that we humans, who instinctively think in Euclidean terms, see them as "curved".

It was this "bending" of light rays that completely confirmed Einstein's Theory of General Relativity.

By the way, welcome to the forum.
 
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Hankb said:
If space, as it's usually defined, is empty, nothing, how can it be curved?
"Curved" just means that it doesn't follow the rules of Euclidean geometry. So you could just as well ask, why empty space should follow those rules.
 
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