How do I check if the canonical angular momentum is conserved?

In summary, the conversation discusses the topic of determining if the canonical angular momentum is conserved in a system with a purely magnetic Hamiltonian and an associated vector potential. The correctness of the given Hamiltonian is questioned and the suggestion is made to compute the Poisson bracket between the Hamiltonian and the canonical angular momentum. It is also suggested that the proper canonical angular momentum may be needed instead of the ordinary orbital angular momentum.
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Specifically given a purely magnetic hamiltonian with some associated vector potential :
$$ H = \dfrac{1}{2m} (\vec{p} - q\vec{A}) $$

How can I deduce if $$ \vec{L} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p}$$ is conserved? ( $$\vec{p} = \dfrac{\partial L}{\partial x'}$$, i.e. the momentum is canonical)
 
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phos19 said:
$$ H = \dfrac{1}{2m} (\vec{p} - q\vec{A}) $$
Are you sure this is the correct Hamiltonian? Normally ##H## is a scalar here, but your RHS is a vector.
phos19 said:
How can I deduce if ## \vec{L} = \vec{r} \times \vec{p}\,## is conserved?
When you've figured out a correct Hamiltonian, you could try computing the Poisson bracket between ##H## and ##\vec{L}## ?

Btw, maybe you really want the proper canonical angular momentum ##\partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi##, rather the ordinary orbital angular momentum?
 
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The ## (\vec p - q \vec A)## should be squared
 
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malawi_glenn said:
The ## (\vec p - q \vec A)## should be squared
yes, my mistake
 
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strangerep said:
Are you sure this is the correct Hamiltonian? Normally ##H## is a scalar here, but your RHS is a vector.

When you've figured out a correct Hamiltonian, you could try computing the Poisson bracket between ##H## and ##\vec{L}## ?

Btw, maybe you really want the proper canonical angular momentum ##\partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi##, rather the ordinary orbital angular momentum?

strangerep said:
Are you sure this is the correct Hamiltonian? Normally ##H## is a scalar here, but your RHS is a vector.

When you've figured out a correct Hamiltonian, you could try computing the Poisson bracket between ##H## and ##\vec{L}## ?

Btw, maybe you really want the proper canonical angular momentum ##\partial {\mathcal L}/\partial\dot\phi##, rather the ordinary orbital angular momentum?
yes ##H## is supposed to be squared. Here ##\vec{L}## is the canonical angular momentum, not the "naive" angular momentum.
 

FAQ: How do I check if the canonical angular momentum is conserved?

What is canonical angular momentum?

Canonical angular momentum is a physical quantity that describes the rotational motion of a system. It is defined as the cross product of the position vector and the momentum vector of a particle or a collection of particles.

Why is it important to check if the canonical angular momentum is conserved?

Conservation of angular momentum is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the total angular momentum of a closed system remains constant over time. It is important to check if the canonical angular momentum is conserved because it can provide valuable information about the underlying physical laws and symmetries of a system.

How is the canonical angular momentum calculated?

The canonical angular momentum is calculated by taking the cross product of the position vector and the momentum vector of a particle or a collection of particles. It can also be expressed as the product of the moment of inertia and the angular velocity of a rotating body.

What are some methods for checking if the canonical angular momentum is conserved?

One method is to use the conservation of angular momentum equation, which states that the initial angular momentum of a system is equal to the final angular momentum. Another method is to use the Euler-Lagrange equations, which describe the dynamics of a system and can be used to determine if the canonical angular momentum is conserved.

What are some possible reasons for the conservation of canonical angular momentum to be violated?

If the system is not closed, meaning that external forces or torques are acting on it, then the conservation of canonical angular momentum may be violated. Additionally, if there are non-conservative forces present, such as friction or air resistance, the conservation of angular momentum may also be violated.

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