How do you prove this statement in geometry?

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A polygon with nonnegative area requires at least three points, while a polyhedron with nonnegative volume needs a minimum of four points. The discussion highlights that a single point can be considered a polygon with zero area, which is nonnegative. The complexity of proving these statements using geometry versus linear algebra is noted, with the latter being simpler. Additionally, the concept of measure in higher dimensions is addressed, emphasizing that in infinite-dimensional spaces, traditional volume measures may not apply. The conversation underscores the importance of understanding cardinality and dimensionality in geometric proofs.
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A polygon with nonnegative area cannot be formed with fewer than 3 points.
A polyhedra with nonnegative volume cannot be formed with fewer than 4 points.
A hyperspace with nonnegative measure cannot be formed with fewer than n points.

What I mean by "3 points" is that the cardinality of the set of vertices is 3.
 
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phoenixthoth said:
A polygon with nonnegative area cannot be formed with fewer than 3 points.

Actually a single point is a polygon of zero area which is nonnegative.

When you say "prove this statement in geometry" are you saying "prove this statement, which has to do with geometry" (because a proof using linear algebra is pretty easy) or are you asking "prove this statement using geometry" which I think would be significantly harder
 
phoenixthoth said:
A polygon with nonnegative area cannot be formed with fewer than 3 points.
A polyhedra with nonnegative volume cannot be formed with fewer than 4 points.
A hyperspace with nonnegative measure cannot be formed with fewer than n points.

What I mean by "3 points" is that the cardinality of the set of vertices is 3.

Take any n-1 points and build a small prism based on the polygon they create in a n-1-dimensional hyperplane (the polygon has to be completely inside the prism). Prism's volume is not more that S*h, where S is the "area"(n-1-dimensional) of the polygon and h is the length of the edge not coplanar with the hyperplane. Now it's clear that S*h tends to 0 as h tends to 0. By definition it means that the set of points of the polygon has "zero Lebesgue measure".
I hope you mentioned the word "cardinality" for no reason, because in an infinite-dimensional space volume as we're used to it (Lebesgue measure) doesn't exist.
 
Sorry, I meant positive measure.
 
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