How does the Paper Spiral work?

In summary, when air particles rise up a spiral due to a candle flame below, the air particles create a horizontal force that is needed to create the rotational torque.
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Hot air rises due to the candle below.
But how does that create a horizontal force, which is needed to produce the rotational torque?
 
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Are you asking about something similar to this?
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Maybe you can post a picture of the paper thing you're asking about.
 
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anorlunda said:
Are you asking about something similar to this?
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Maybe you can post a picture of the paper thing you're asking about.
Yes, although the usual demonstration is less elaborate.

Some demonstrations like these https://www.ingridscience.ca/node/706 remind me of helicopter blades. But the difference I see here is that while the helicopter blades push the air in a diagonal direction such that there is a horizontal torque, in the paper spiral, when the vertically ascending air particles are stopped by an infinitesimally small paper area, the normal contact force is vertical (thus lacking the crucial horizontal component)
 
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phantomvommand said:
But how does that create a horizontal force
Because of the angle of the blades.
Forget about the air, let a particle collide with the blade instead. Seen from the side:
What is the direction of the impulse on the blade?
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phantomvommand said:
when the vertically ascending air particles are stopped by an infinitesimally small paper area, the normal contact force is vertical (thus lacking the crucial horizontal component)
No, the paper blades in the illustrations you linked are not vertical, they are diagonal. Part of the force is vertical, part horizontal.

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Are you talking about something like this, @phantomvommand? The principle is the same as the helicopter blades - the flat spiral falls into a spiral ramp, so the paper is everywhere slanted downwards in the same direction (clockwise or anticlockwise). The diagram in @malawi_glenn's post #4 then applies, and you get rotation.
 
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phantomvommand said:
... in the paper spiral, when the vertically ascending air particles are stopped by an infinitesimally small paper area, the normal contact force is vertical (thus lacking the crucial horizontal component)
That statement is not correct.
The normal contact force is always perpendicular to the surface.

Please, see #1 here:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/frequently-made-errors-mechanics-friction/
 
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FAQ: How does the Paper Spiral work?

How does the paper spiral stay in shape?

The paper spiral works by using the principle of torsion, which is the twisting force that is created when an object is twisted around its axis. When the paper is twisted, it creates a tension that holds the spiral in shape.

What causes the paper spiral to unravel?

The paper spiral unravels when the tension created by the twisting force is released. This can happen when the paper is pulled or when the force holding the spiral in place is removed.

How does the size of the paper affect the spiral?

The size of the paper does not affect the spiral itself, but it can affect the appearance and strength of the spiral. A larger piece of paper will create a bigger spiral, while a smaller piece of paper will create a smaller spiral. Additionally, thicker paper will create a stronger spiral compared to thinner paper.

Can the paper spiral be created with any type of paper?

Yes, the paper spiral can be created with any type of paper as long as it is thin enough to be easily twisted. However, the appearance and strength of the spiral may vary depending on the type of paper used.

How does the paper spiral demonstrate the concept of potential energy?

The paper spiral demonstrates the concept of potential energy by storing energy in its twisted shape. When the spiral is released, the potential energy is converted into kinetic energy, causing the spiral to unravel and move. This is similar to how a spring stores potential energy when compressed and releases it when stretched.

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