How Oranges Exist Under Thermodynamics Laws

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Oranges can exist under thermodynamic laws because, while they are structured objects, they operate within a larger closed system where entropy is always increasing. The process of convection, which organizes particle movement, actually accelerates entropy production by facilitating energy dissipation. This means that even though the entropy of individual orange molecules may decrease, the overall entropy of the universe continues to rise. The energy flow from high to low temperature areas allows for the formation and maintenance of structured entities like oranges. Understanding this relationship between local order and global disorder is key to grasping thermodynamic principles.
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hey, i had this question for homework:
How oranges( which have structured objects) can exist given the laws of thermodynamics?

i have no idea how to answer this, so any help is greatly appreciated
 
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When I boil some water, at first the water is silent, but then convection starts: a very structured mass movement of particles appears spontaneously. Shouldn't the second law forbid this? After all, a disorganized mass of water molecules all decide to move coherently! The answer is no, even more so, the second law also likes it! After all, what is the result of convection? Convection is for heat transfer (a better word is "energy dissipitation"); so although the convection itself is a very organized structure, its role is to increase entropy faster (heat gets distributed faster with convection than without it), so in this process entropy production increases and does not decrease.

How does this relate to oranges? Maybe the whole concept of life is just one big spontaneous convection: organized structures that simply accelerate the production of randomness
 
okay i just want to ask you , because i think i have grasp of what the answer is and your input helped alot.
so assuming that the world is a closed system that would mean that the entropy of the world is always increasing or stays the same
also keeping in mind that entropy is an expression of the randomness or disorder
as well as that energy flows from hi temperature areas to low temperature ones.
So if the worlds entropy is increasing then the randomness and disorder is increasing, while the energy is moving from its high temperature areas to the low ones, since orange molecules are not closed system and assuming that their entropy decreases, the energy flowing to the low temperature areas is able to make oranges exist since the entropy is decreasing for those molecules hence the disorder is decreasing so the molecules can pull together or stay together?

does that seem right?
i know some of it might be wrong, but I am really bad at physics at the university level, maybe because of the how quick lessons go i don't catch on quick enough
 
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