How to Calculate Work Done in a Thermodynamic Process?

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To calculate the work done during the expansion of air in a closed piston cylinder, the process follows the relationship PV^1.2 = constant. The user successfully determined the final temperature after expansion but struggles with calculating work without knowing the mass or volumes. It is suggested to use the ideal gas law and integrate the pressure-volume relationship, substituting known values to derive the work done. The discussion clarifies that 'n' represents the number of moles of gas, and for simplification, it can be assumed as one mole for calculations. The final answer should be expressed in kJ/kg, aligning with the problem's requirements.
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hey guys got this question that i have been stuck on for a while.

air is expanded from 1M Pa at 327 degrees celcius to 200kPa in a closed piston cylinder device. for the process PV^1.2 = constant. calculate the work done in kJ/kg during this process

i hav managed to work out the temperature after expansion using T2/T1 = (P1/P2)^(n-1/n) but i don't know how to work out the work done without knowing the mass or any of the volumes

if work = (p1v1 - p2v2)/ 1-n

then surely i need the volumes to work out the work done

any help will be welcomed

cheers
 
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If the gaz can be considered ideal, then by conservation of the number of moles of gaz,

\nu_i = \nu_f[/itex]<br /> <br /> you must have<br /> <br /> V_f=\frac{p_fT_i}{p_iT_f}V_i<br /> <br /> So<br /> <br /> W=\int_{V_i}^{\frac{p_fT_i}{p_iT_f}V_i}pdV = \int_{V_i}^{\frac{p_fT_i}{p_iT_f}V_i} \frac{\alpha}{V^{1.2}}dV<br /> <br /> And substitude back \alpha = p_iV_i^{1.2} at the end.
 
but i don't know any of the volumes so this method would not work
 
junglep said:
hey guys got this question that i have been stuck on for a while.

air is expanded from 1M Pa at 327 degrees celcius to 200kPa in a closed piston cylinder device. for the process PV^1.2 = constant. calculate the work done in kJ/kg during this process

i hav managed to work out the temperature after expansion using T2/T1 = (P1/P2)^(n-1/n) but i don't know how to work out the work done without knowing the mass or any of the volumes

if work = (p1v1 - p2v2)/ 1-n

then surely i need the volumes to work out the work done

any help will be welcomed

cheers
If PV^\alpha = K where \alpha = 1.2 (note: this is not the \gamma for air which is 1.4), then substituting V = nRT/P gives:

P^{1-\alpha}T^\alpha = K/n^\alpha R^\alpha = K&#039;

So:

P_1^{1-\alpha}T_1^\alpha = P_2^{1-\alpha}T_2^\alpha = K&#039;

From that, work out PdV in terms of K' and T and integrate from T1 to T2

AM
 
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If you succed, would you please post the answer junglep?
 
quasar987 said:
If you succed, would you please post the answer junglep?
Find T2 from the relationship:

P_1^{(1-\alpha)}T_1^\alpha = P_2^{(1-\alpha)}T_2^\alpha

so:

T_2 = \left(P_1^{(1-\alpha)}T_1^\alpha/P_2^{(1-\alpha)}\right)^{1/\alpha}

Use PV=nRT to find V:

V_1 = nRT_1/P_1

V_2 = nRT_2/P_2

Integrating PdV from V1 to V2 using P = K/V^\alpha:

W = \int_{V_1}^{V_2} PdV = \int_{V_1}^{V_2} KdV/V^\alpha

You just have to work that out.

AM
 
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what is n in the equation

pv = nRT?

i thought the perfect gas eqn was pv = mass * R * T

also i am not given a value for the gas constant (R). if it is any help the answer that is given in the book is in kJ/kg not in J.
 
junglep said:
what is n in the equation

pv = nRT?

i thought the perfect gas eqn was pv = mass * R * T

also i am not given a value for the gas constant (R). if it is any help the answer that is given in the book is in kJ/kg not in J.
n is the number of moles of the gas. R is in units of J/mole K.

This problem does not give you n or V, so assume n = 1 in which case: PV = MRT where M is the mass of one mole of air (29 g/mole). Essentially, you are working out and using the volume for one mole of air.

AM
 
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