Induced EMF in N=181 Coil, A=.01955^2 at t=2.50, 7.50, 15.0, 25.0ms

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The discussion revolves around calculating the induced electromotive force (emf) in a 181-turn circular coil subjected to a varying magnetic field. The participants confirm that the induced emf is zero at t = 2.50 ms and t = 15.0 ms, while they struggle with the calculations for t = 7.50 ms and t = 25.0 ms. The correct approach involves using the formula for induced emf, which requires calculating the rate of change of the magnetic field (dB/dt) and ensuring units are consistent, particularly converting milliseconds to seconds. Missteps in calculations and unit conversions are highlighted, emphasizing the importance of accuracy in applying the formulas. Ultimately, the discussion aims to clarify the correct method for determining the induced emf at the specified times.
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A magnetic field with the time dependence shown in Figure 23-38 is at right angles to a 181 turn circular coil with a diameter of 3.91 cm. What is the induced emf in the coil at each of the following times?

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(a) t = 2.50 ms
0 V
(b) t = 7.50 ms

(c) t = 15.0 ms
0 V
(d) t = 25.0 ms

N = 181
A = .01955^2

i've gotten (a) and (c) right but am having a very hard time with (b) and (d). for (b) I've been doing \phi = BA cos \theta where \theta = 0 for t= 7.50 m/s as the final flux and then at t= 2.50 m/s for the initial flux . Then to find induced emf I've been doing 181((\phi_{f} - \phi_{i})/(7.50 - 2.50)) but am getting the wrong answer, what am i doing wrong??
 
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can anyone help me?
 
wr1015 said:
A magnetic field with the time dependence shown in Figure 23-38 is at right angles to a 181 turn circular coil with a diameter of 3.91 cm. What is the induced emf in the coil at each of the following times?

23-38.gif


(a) t = 2.50 ms
0 V
(b) t = 7.50 ms

(c) t = 15.0 ms
0 V
(d) t = 25.0 ms

N = 181
A = .01955^2

i've gotten (a) and (c) right but am having a very hard time with (b) and (d). for (b) I've been doing \phi = BA cos \theta where \theta = 0 for t= 7.50 m/s as the final flux and then at t= 2.50 m/s for the initial flux . Then to find induced emf I've been doing 181((\phi_{f} - \phi_{i})/(7.50 - 2.50)) but am getting the wrong answer, what am i doing wrong??

To be honest, I am really not following what you did.

But the induced emf is (dropping all signs) N A cos (theta) dB/dt in your case (only the magnitude of B changes). And dB/dt is simply the slope of the graph. So for the emf at 7.50 ms, the slope of the graph is dB/dt = (-0.01 - 0.02)/(10 ms - 5 ms) . Dropping the sign, multiplying by N A should give you the answer.


Patrick
 
nrqed said:
To be honest, I am really not following what you did.

But the induced emf is (dropping all signs) N A cos (theta) dB/dt in your case (only the magnitude of B changes). And dB/dt is simply the slope of the graph. So for the emf at 7.50 ms, the slope of the graph is dB/dt = (-0.01 - 0.02)/(10 ms - 5 ms) . Dropping the sign, multiplying by N A should give you the answer.Patrick

(-.01-.02)/(10-5) = -.006

dropping the sign: (181) (.006) \pi (.01955^2)

i get .001303 V but that's not right :confused:

edit: fixed
 
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wr1015 said:
(-.01-.02)/(10-5) = -.006

dropping the sign: (181) (.006) (.01955^2)

i get .001303 V but that's not right :confused:
You seem tohave forgotten to multiply r^2 by Pi !
 
nrqed said:
You seem tohave forgotten to multiply r^2 by Pi !

oops sorry that was supposed to have \pi in there, i didn't forget it in my calculation
 
wr1015 said:
(-.01-.02)/(10-5) = -.006

dropping the sign: (181) (.006) \pi (.01955^2)

i get .001303 V but that's not right :confused:

edit: fixed
You must put dB/dt in Tesla per second...so it`s 6 Tesla/second
 
nrqed said:
You must put dB/dt in Tesla per second...so it`s 6 Tesla/second

ooooooohhhh ok, but why isn't it already in T/s??
 
wr1015 said:
ooooooohhhh ok, but why isn't it already in T/s??
Because the time you divided by was in milliseconds.
Do you get the right answer now? I need to go to bed :wink:
 
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