Is Blackhole Symmetry Proportional to Information Exchange?

In summary, the conversation discusses various theories and concepts related to black holes and their information content. The main questions revolve around whether the amount of information taken in by a black hole is proportional to the amount given out, and to what extent are theories such as general relativity and quantum field theory necessary to understand this concept. The conversation also touches on the idea of white holes spitting out black holes and the recent developments in loop quantum gravity. Overall, the conversation highlights the ongoing research and discussions surrounding black holes and their role in the universe.
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  • #37
Spin_Network said:
The result of Rovelli's latest paper above, equates to the Vacuum of Space between Galaxies, being a Quantum State generated at the moment of the appearence of local matter? The SIZE of the Graviton, dictates the 'size' of Matter, and its evolution? as the Graviton gets farther away, the matter locally is dispersing, the Energy Density of Matter fades to that of Quantum Field, until the Quantum Vacuum Equilibrium is restored, and you guessed it, there is a Graviton Burst. But there are limitations to the Quantum State?
For instance, out of an Expanding Vacuum, there are confinment limitations (close to equilibrium), the Vacuum can collapse back rather than continue in expansion. Then this can pull matter at the outer-edge of the Vacuum, backwards, thus the matter is Condensed together, without the Graviton Burst.
Einstein's early intuition of the Cosmological Constant "blunder", being a 'fixed' paramiter of Positive-out-of-Negative, rather than being "one-or-the-other"?
The Graviton in this sense is the propergator(Graviton-Burst) out of the Pure Quantum State Vacuum, prior to the Galaxy appearing. In a near perfect Equilibrated Universe state of: "Matter-Antimatter", "Positive Vacuum-Negative Vacuum" "Big-Bang Big-Crunch".
The Graviton propagated across a pure quantum field[zero-point], the Wavefunction induces the State out of Equilibrium, Galaxies "rip" out of the instabilities, all the emerging matter is 'contained' internally within this Graviton Horizon, all the Light from the Galaxies propagates along the Graviton Route, to the Cosmological Horizon. Another fluctuation out of the Quantum State Vacuum, introduces another Galaxy , dictated by it's own Cosmological Time, Graviton Horizon.
Most of the Homoogeneous energy density has negative Pressure due to the fact that over time, the "positive" Graviton, is "extracting" all positive matter that is contained "locally" close to our Galaxy. Eventually we will look into the night sky and see our "local" surrounding spacetime thinning out, the Dark will become Darker as the Light Energy fades out. The remaining E-m-V will tend to burst forth, a new phase energy out of the old phase energy?
Sakharov Induced Gravity, emerges locally from Einsteins Quantum, Graviton "Dark" Waves, polaroids included :cool:

A new paper by Stephen .D.H.Hsu and Brian.M.Murray have detailed an interesting "Graviton" phase to the initial Universe :
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0512033

where there is handwaving to the "Graviton Heatbath" as likely source of nucleation "bubbles-of-nothing"?

The facts of this is that, Blackholes are initially Gravitons, condensed out of Inflation, but they actually "expand", to contain matter within their boundaries, thus evolve from Galactic Cores, therby the Gravitational signiture of Galactic Blackholes are really anchor points(gravitational source) within a phase space that extends, but does not contain Graviton "particles", this may be why Galactic Halo's are in a sense 'Graviton-Shrouds', their evolution is dependant on the initial condition, which is horizonal dependant, because this set at the transitional unique "early" Phase?

Very interesting paper when one couples it to the Rovelli above Paper.
 
  • #38
Spin_Network said:

Another great paper that puts "information" into a precise perspective:

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0507287

and also this paper:http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0512268
appears to have relevence to thread, abstract:

The most entropic fluid can be related to a dense gas of black holes that we use to study the beginning of the universe. We encounter difficulties to compatibilize an adiabatic expansion with the growing area for the coalescence of black holes. This problem may be circumvented for a quantum black hole fluid, whose classical counterpart can be described by a percolating process at the critical point. This classical regime might be related to the energy content of the current universe.

Actually there is another recent paper by Ulf Leonhardt:

http://arxiv.org/abs/cond-mat/0510071

that has an interesting correspondance with the last paper(entropic fluid) above.

One can ask why is it that in an expansive medium, such as the expanding universe, do energies contract?, energies such as matter (with respect to the expansion-field?).

If the Universe was in contraction, then Particles of matter would be getting bigger, with respect to the field?..could the Universe have evolved from an initial localized single Particle?..being that the reversed field equations that give birth to the Big-Bang model, has at its fundamental premise:The Universe is evolving from a given single location, of the size and order comprable to that of a volume , less than single atom?
 
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  • #39
In this thread by marcus:https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104539

he has an interesting correspondence from Smolin:
1)"why the neutron is a bit heavier than the proton"

could it be that the fact is that the Universe is in Expansion?..had the Universe been in Contracting phase, then would the Particles size be reversed?..ie would the Neutron be lighter than the Proton?
 

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