Is Brownian motion a purely classical phenomenon or is it also quantm?

In summary, the conversation discusses the role of quantum effects in the Brownian motion of a water molecule and whether classical thermodynamics or quantum mechanics should be considered. It is suggested that in most cases, classical mechanics is sufficient, but there is also a concept of "quantum Brownian motion" that leads to non-Markovian descriptions. A paper by G. W. Ford, J. T. Lewis, and R. F. O'Connell is recommended for further understanding.
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A water molecule is as tiny as 0.3 Angstrom. I would expect that quantum effects play a role. I'm wondering if its Brownian motion in a fluid is determined only by classical thermodynamics or if its collisional processes must take into account also quantum scatterings or other effects like quantum uncertainty? I looked for this but couldn't find anyone considering this. Any suggestion?
 
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When Einstein explained the Brownian motion in one of his wonderful papers of 1905 (https://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/UG/SM/MATH3075/r/Einstein_1905.pdf), he used classical mechanics only. Quantum mechanics was not invented yet, though Einstein himself was concurrently working on it. Unless you have a case where the details of the interactions during the collisions become relevant, you are unlikely to need quantum mechanics. As long as the collisions are elastic, a classical model is accurate enough.
 
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Of course there's also "quantum Brownian motion". Interstingly it always leads to non-Markovian descriptions. A nice paper, which should be understandable at the introductory quantum-statistics-lecture level (or even after the QM 1 lecture) is

G. W. Ford, J. T. Lewis and R. F. O’Connell, Quantum
Langevin equation, Phys. Rev. A 37, 4419 (1988),
https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevA.37.4419
 
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