Is George W. Bush's IQ Really 129?

[Tigers2B1]

This post is made mostly in fun since I don't believe that IQ directly translates into intelligence. I do believe, however, that IQ results provide us with an indication of potential. So, in response to all of the board talk regarding IQ, and admittedly, to take a tiny jab at the liberals on what they seem to claim as their own scared turf, as shown in their continuing need to describe conservatives 'dumb' –- I decided to post this --- just in case some of you were still wondering. Contrary to the Democrat's constant drone, Bush might be quite intelligent. At least according to objective measures –

Before the present SAT there was a correlation between SAT scores and IQ scores. (The present SAT has been changed and this correlation no longer exists) If George W. Bush's pre-1974 SAT score was a combined 1206 as reported in numerous sites on the internet –(an SAT score that was "recentered" up in the mid 90s) -- than this SAT score converts to an IQ of 129 on the Otis-Gamma IQ test. The Otis-Gamma test is reported to have a standard deviation of 15, which makes the converted score almost two standard deviations above the norm.

http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/Pre1974SAT.html

Those of you who accept the numbers above –– should also note that the indicated IQ would be in the top 3% of the population. As stated in the linked material, these correlations were developed using a little more than 400 SAT and Otis IQ test takers.

In addition – the actual correlation for the pre-1994 test to the WAIS is +.80. This is higher than some IQ tests have with each other as shown in the quote below. This quote is concerning the pre-1994 SAT. Note the correlations given --

In fact, the test was developed by Princeton professor Carl Brigham, who had been one of the Army I.Q. testing team during the first world war. One of its first applications was by Harvard president James Bryant Conant in his establishment of the Harvard national scholarship program. He was looking for a way to find and admit capable students from parts of the U.S. where the university would not otherwise have looked. Newsweek reports: "There was one point about it on which Conant repeatedly demanded reassurance: was it a pure test of intelligence, rather than of the quality of the taker's education? Otherwise he was concerned that bright boys who had been born into modest circumstances and gone to poor schools would be penalized." Only after being convinced that the SAT was a pure intelligence test did Conant implement its use.
Consider the correlations between various standard tests and the WAIS:

WAIS to Stanford Binet = 0.77

WAIS to Raven's = 0.72

WAIS to Otis = 0.78

WAIS to SAT = 0.80

The designers of the SAT benchmarked it against the Otis; the similarity of correlations between the SAT and the WAIS was no accident. It is no wonder that high IQ societies (including Mensa, Intertel, ISPE, and TNS) have accepted the pre-1994 SAT as proof of membership qualification. TNS is presumably going to continue to accept it, with an adjusted score (to compensate for recent tinkering).

Note also that the quote above states that the SAT was actually benchmarked using the Otis-Gamma IQ test. The Otis test was used in the SAT to IQ conversion cited above.
Here’s the link –

http://members.cox.net/sidelock/pages/Telicom090299.html

Kerry apparently refuses to provide his SAT scores. So comparisons, for whatever they're worth, can't be made.

 

[graphic7]

With an SAT score like that, you would think that he would've made better grades in college. Maybe's he just lazy, but when did lazy become a positive quality of a future president?

 

[humanino]

This post is made mostly in fun since I don't believe that IQ directly translates into intelligence.

Me neither.

Contrary to the Democrat's constant drone, Bush might be quite intelligent.

So he has a reason to hide it ?

George W. Bush's (...) score (...) 129

Did you ever wonder what's the average presidential IQ in Europe ?
Jacques Chirac scores much better for instance. Well, he still is a huge mess !
This is totally irrelevant.

 

[Gokul43201]

So Dubya's really a closet genius ?

Now that's busted a big myth for me. I always thought Dubya had a lower than 100 IQ, but now I know his IQ is higher than mine !

 

[Tigers2B1]

Did you ever wonder what's the average presidential IQ in Europe ?

No, what are they?

 

[Tigers2B1]

So Dubya's really a closet genius ?

Nope, he's been bona fide

 

[Gokul43201]

So , the democrats have been misunderestimating Dubya all along, and that's what screwed up their strategery.

 

[Zantra]

yes and that marilyn von whatsherface (the smartest person in the world) can't answer simple problem solving questions correctly.

It doesn't matter if he has an IQ of 190- he still is a horrible public speaker. And the institution of the presidency requires more than just raw intelligence. It's all about image. If you're a genius and you portray the wrong image to the public and rest of the world, it doesn't matter how smart you are. It's all about perception.

 

[Tigers2B1]

Please, I am just a messenger. A mere vessel providing you unwanted and perturbing knowledge of Dubya's IQ.

 

[the number 42]

If George W. Bush's pre-1974 SAT score was a combined 1206 as reported in numerous sites on the internet –(an SAT score that was "recentered" up in the mid 90s) -- than this SAT score converts to an IQ of 129 on the Otis-Gamma IQ test.

GBW's IQ 129? I can't imagine he scored too high on the verbal reasoning part of the test, so he must be a GENIUS in visuo-spatial and mathmatical skills (if I'm right in assuming that these make up the test).

No, this sounds like comedy, Tigers2B1. Something along the lines of Peter Sellars' Being There.

 

[Gokul43201]

No, number_42, Bush's IQ is calculated from his SAT score of 1206 (Al Gore scored 1355 - just for comparison - not that it means very much).

 

[humanino]

No, what are they?

In France for instance, our politicians usually have a background that could open them any door in their field. Some of them have the honor of one of the most difficult school to study mathematics (which is Ecole Normale Superieure Ulm, maybe the most difficult level in math before a PhD) and all of them, whatever their background, still have another most difficult school : Ecole Nationale d'Administration beyond this, which is specialized in everything you could imagine for a politician. Of course, this is only the beginning. But the story keeps the same : all those guys could have been making plenty of money. But no, for philosophical reasons, they choose to devote their entire life to thinking of the best way to manage the republic in a democratic way, being aware they sacrifice money. Oh by the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being both democratic and republican. Naming two sides of a political model this way is simply stupid.

Also, when one rich family has two sons, the most successful son in your country goes for business, whereas the failure one takes the remaining politics. Why again ? Money ! Apparently you imagine money is the solution for everything. This is your problem, and unfortunately, it is contaminating Europe. The people now think the real power is no more in politics. We used to think an alternative way was possible. I think the american responsability in establishing free market as the rule of the world today is not funny. It is terrible. More specifiaclly against Georges : the responsability he has in discrediting the UN. Also in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I won't list, because only those two are enough for a people to raise and kick the stupid dangerous cow-boy out of the powerful sit he was given. I usually never post anything here, because my political opinions would probably trigger numerous diatribes.

 

[Tigers2B1]

Just as I suspected! – you've refused to post the IQs of your leaders. Apparently, even collectively, when all added together, they are no match for Bush.

Now look here – it's best you learn this now even if them 'diatribes' scare ya. No European is smarter or meaner than an American, and no American is as smart or as mean as a Texan. So figure, would you rather be an effete, powered wig wearin' European, sipping tea with your pinky held high, or a rough honed Texan, sitting at the dinner table splattered with cow blood? Americans don't drink tea, we throw it off ships. We're wild men, sired by the smallpox. Eating petrified hearts by the bushel and drinking desert sand by the barrel.

Remember humanino – Americans are a breed apart. Most Europeans were 'too scared' to cross the ocean, the thought sent'em all shaking in their big, black, giant buckled shoes. The weak ones died in trying. We're mean, we're tough, we're self-selected and we're self-centered, and we don't like abstract painters. No guy named 'Jacques' will ever whip an American – that's for certain.

 

[humanino]

No European is smarter or meaner than an American, and no American is as smart or as mean as a Texan.

I never said that. I think you do not take politics as seriously as we do. Alright, this guy plays saxophone, he seems fine !

And by the way, I love americans. I am currently in love with one of yours, top quality. I might also take one of your job. Europe is very far from perfect. We both need to consider what the other is doing better. We are doing better at electing smart guys. It unfortunately seems useless, because de facto the market rules. So in the end, you win. We understood that for a while now. Some of us still do not want to accept this jungle. Maybe you will join us in a few decades when China will ruin your economical power, as they already started to. Maybe in this case, you are going to realize "maybe we need some regulations on the markets". Elementary rules. Share. Make the world a fair place. Not just the best place for your fat ass.

 

[Tigers2B1]

...Not just the best place for your fat ass.

Look, I know I'm no Jerry Lewis, but I thought you'd like my cheap xenophobic humor. But alas, after 200 years of French military losses a sour attitude is understandable. About the only war you ever won was the French Revolution, and that was because you were fighting yourselves.

Just my two francs –

 

[humanino]

I apologize if you took it for yourself. Apparently you did not listen when I told you I make a difference between the governement and the people. I am only saying this guy Georges has proven he has no respect for the rest of humanity. I am not saying kicking him out would have been easy. I am saying please, for the good of the planet equilibrium, do not give a second occasion to ruin the world. As for war :

Le jour où personne ne reviendra d'une guerre, c'est qu'elle aura enfin été bien faite.

"A war from which nobody comes back, would be the first properly done one"
War can always be avoided. Except if one looses his nerves.

 

[wasteofo2]

OHHHHHHHHHHHH!

That changes everything!

Forget what he's actually done as President, if his IQ might be around 129, he's got my vote for sure.

 

[Smurf]

Look, I know I'm no Jerry Lewis, but I thought you'd like my cheap xenophobic humor. But alas, after 200 years of French military losses a sour attitude is understandable. About the only war you ever won was the French Revolution, and that was because you were fighting yourselves.

Just my two francs –

Tigers I hope you'll appreciate how well I'm restraining myself from insulting you right now. You'll find yourself sorely outnumbered if you proceed to make comments like that.

And France uses the Euro.

 

[GENIERE]

BuIQ’s of some presidents according to various web sites and sometimes extrapolated scores:

JFK - - - - 119
Nixon - - - 143
Carter - - - genius (?)
Clinton - - 135
Gore (VP)-134
Bush - - - -125

Bush did get a 1206 SAT score with a verbal 566 and a math 640. Because of the dumbing down of the present SAT test he would score higher today.

It seems the higher IQ guys are the one’s that had flawed presidencies, the jury is still out re: Pres. Bush.

 

[wasteofo2]

BuIQ’s of some presidents according to various web sites and sometimes extrapolated scores:

JFK - - - - 119
Nixon - - - 143
Carter - - - genius (?)
Clinton - - 135
Gore (VP)-134
Bush - - - -125

Bush did get a 1206 SAT score with a verbal 566 and a math 640. Because of the dumbing down of the present SAT test he would score higher today.

It seems the higher IQ guys are the one’s that had flawed presidencies, the jury is still out re: Pres. Bush.

How're you going to label Clinton's Presidency flawed but not JFK? Is it because JFK got it on with Marylin Monroe, and Clinton favored random white-trash?

And I wonder, why aren't Reagan and Bush Sr.'s IQ's listed? I wouldn't doubt Bush Sr.'s relatively high, but Reagan...

 

[Integral]

It makes me wonder who took the test for him.

 

[klusener]

lol..

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

- George Bush

Anyone who is capable of making such a quote and can't pronounce nuclear is not smart in my book...

 

[Gokul43201]

...Just my two francs

..And France uses the Euro.

Even otherwise, that would be 'two centimes.'

 

[Gokul43201]

BuIQ’s of some presidents according to various web sites and sometimes extrapolated scores:

JFK - - - - 119
Nixon - - - 143
Carter - - - genius (?)
Clinton - - 135
Gore (VP)-134
Bush - - - -125

According to Tigers2B1's link, Gore should be 137 (his SAT score was 1355)

Bush did get a 1206 SAT score with a verbal 566 and a math 640. Because of the dumbing down of the present SAT test he would score higher today.

What about the dumbing down of Bush himself ?

Here's my theory : Bush, as a young man was partying a lot, meeting different people, expanding his mind, and having varied experiences. All these experiences gave him some smarts.

Then one day, he got 'born again', and has since been swallowing the misinformation pills handed out by the church. Now, as a result, he can't speak the language, won't follow the news and will perform fuzzy math.

 

[GENIERE]

How're you going to label Clinton's Presidency flawed but not JFK? Is it because JFK got it on with Marylin Monroe, and Clinton favored random white-trash?

And I wonder, why aren't Reagan and Bush Sr.'s IQ's listed? I wouldn't doubt Bush Sr.'s relatively high, but Reagan...

JFK! I voted for him. Probably vote for him if he were still here. I recall, maybe incorrectly, that he provided the largest tax reduction (rich-man, poor-man, business) than his predecessor’s ever conceived. Unlike Clinton, he did not disgrace his office and had enough intelligence to be discrete. What he did do that the neo-libs cannot do; is he defied the USSR, put us at the brink of nuclear disaster, because it was the right thing to do. As a result President Reagan was able to bring the USSR to its knees without fear of a 30-second flight of a nuclear missile from Cuba.

As far as white-trash, I like my trash in a full spectrum of colors and I enjoyed a fair sampling! Who am I to complain?


Reagan and Bush Sr. were too old to have taken an IQ or SAT test. Both were college grads, both probably had a lot more than an average IQ.

 

[wasteofo2]

JFK! I voted for him. Probably vote for him if he were still here. I recall, maybe incorrectly, that he provided the largest tax reduction (rich-man, poor-man, business) than his predecessor’s ever conceived. Unlike Clinton, he did not disgrace his office and had enough intelligence to be discrete. What he did do that the neo-libs cannot do; is he defied the USSR, put us at the brink of nuclear disaster, because it was the right thing to do. As a result President Reagan was able to bring the USSR to its knees without fear of a 30-second flight of a nuclear missile from Cuba.

As far as white-trash, I like my trash in a full spectrum of colors and I enjoyed a fair sampling! Who am I to complain?


Reagan and Bush Sr. were too old to have taken an IQ or SAT test. Both were college grads, both probably had a lot more than an average IQ.

JFK points accepted.

But seriously, maybe Reagan was smart as a young man, but I can not fathom that he was smart as a President. I recently saw a re-broadcast of the second (final) '84 debate between Reagan and Mondale, and that guy was just totally clueless.

 

[Gokul43201]

But so is most of the public. And that's why the clueless dude wins.

 

[Smurf]

What he did do that the neo-libs cannot do; is he defied the USSR, put us at the brink of nuclear disaster, because it was the right thing to do. As a result President Reagan was able to bring the USSR to its knees without fear of a 30-second flight of a nuclear missile from Cuba.

Sorry, but I can't help but scoff at that. It worries me the way you say things. "Put us at the brink of nuclear disaster, because it was the right thing to do". no really, say that again to yourself slowly. You'll get it eventually.

 

[Mercator]

It's sad to see what drinking and smoking pot can do to a relatively bright man.

 

[the number 42]

Does anyone actually believe that George W Bush has an IQ of 125? Where is the hard evidence of the test he took? Sure, the guy may be cunning, but that may be more to do with emotional intelligence of a kind, which I would credit him with having. However Reagan - someone who probably had a pretty high EQ in his day, had some charm, which we more typically associate with EQ.

My analysis of GWB's IQ isn't scientific, but going by speeches, actions etc he doesn't strike me as bright in any way, except perhaps in cunning.

 

[Gokul43201]

You can guess answers using "enie, meanie, minie, mo" and sometimes, just luck out and get a decent score. I've no doubt whatsoever, that's what happened !

 

[Smurf]

All I know is I've taken 20 different IQ tests and had scores ranging from 45 to 192 so I'm not thinking too much of it.

 

[BobG]

Now look here – it's best you learn this now even if them 'diatribes' scare ya. No European is smarter or meaner than an American, and no American is as smart or as mean as a Texan. So figure, would you rather be an effete, powered wig wearin' European, sipping tea with your pinky held high, or a rough honed Texan, sitting at the dinner table splattered with cow blood? Americans don't drink tea, we throw it off ships. We're wild men, sired by the smallpox. Eating petrified hearts by the bushel and drinking desert sand by the barrel.

Except maybe for "a skinny little boy from Cleveland, Ohio... Here to drink your women and chase your beer" - Alex Bevan's "Skinny Little Boy"

 

[BobG]

What he did do that the neo-libs cannot do; is he defied the USSR, put us at the brink of nuclear disaster, because it was the right thing to do.

He set up the Bay of Pigs disaster and deployed missiles to Turkey, intigating the Cuban Missile Crisis. He then publicly stood up to the USSR while quietly removing the missiles from Turkey.

Not a great strategy, but he did do one good thing that George W. did not. He always had a safe retreat available and that is what pulled us back from the brink of nuclear disaster, not his defiant stand.

 

[Robert Zaleski]

Does anyone actually believe that George W Bush has an IQ of 125? Where is the hard evidence of the test he took? Sure, the guy may be cunning, but that may be more to do with emotional intelligence of a kind, which I would credit him with having. However Reagan - someone who probably had a pretty high EQ in his day, had some charm, which we more typically associate with EQ.

My analysis of GWB's IQ isn't scientific, but going by speeches, actions etc he doesn't strike me as bright in any way, except perhaps in cunning.

If the skillful manipulation of words had anything to do with intelligence, Mohamad Ali would be proclaimed a genius.