Is Octuplet Mom's Reality Show Deal a New Low in Celebrity Obsession?

[Dadface]

Who needs fertility drugs?Just call for me...superstud.

 

[Evo]

Grandma: Octuplets mom obsessed with having kids

The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, her mother said.

Angela Suleman told The Associated Press she was not supportive when her daughter, Nadya Suleman, decided to have more embryos implanted last year.

She said she warned her daughter that when she gets home from the hospital, "I'm going to be gone."

Angela Suleman said her daughter always had trouble conceiving and underwent in vitro fertilization treatments because her fallopian tubes are "plugged up."

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

Her daughter's obsession with children caused Angela Suleman considerable stress, so she sought help from a psychologist, who told her to order her daughter out of the house.

Yolanda Garcia, 49, of Whittier, said she helped care for Nadya Suleman's autistic son three years ago.

"From what I could tell back then, she was pretty happy with herself, saying she liked having kids and she wanted 12 kids in all," Garcia told the Long Beach Press-Telegram.

"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."

Garcia said she did not ask for details.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

 

[Astronuc]

"And she said it's because she got paid for it."

And that is SO WRONG!

. . . conceived all 14 of her children through in vitro fertilization, is not married and has been obsessed with having children since she was a teenager, . . .

She probably meets the legal definition of insane, the inability to discern 'right from wrong'. She needs psychiatric help.

 

[LowlyPion]

There were frozen embryos left over after her previous pregnancies and her daughter didn't want them destroyed, so she decided to have more children.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets

I see. Just cleaning out the fridge. Making sure nothing goes to waste?

 

[Evo]

I see. Just cleaning out the fridge. Making sure nothing goes to waste?

It would appear that way.

 

[Astronuc]

I have to wonder what is meant by "And she said it's because she got paid for it." Does this mean she expects the taxpayers to pay for her selfish and irresponsible behavior, or is she planning to sell her offspring?

 

[LowlyPion]

Maybe someone told her once they liked the way she shook her moneymaker? And she just misapplied that to her life?

But you can't call her completely irresponsible. After all she was really only planning on having another 6 not all the 8 that took.

 

[The Dagda]

I have to wonder what is meant by "And she said it's because she got paid for it." Does this mean she expects the taxpayers to pay for her selfish and irresponsible behavior, or is she planning to sell her offspring?

No but as said the business world might. Her motivation was to have another baby than the six she already had, we should probably hold off making judgements until we know the whole story.

 

[LowlyPion]

..., we should probably hold off making judgements until we know the whole story.

What fun is that?

 

[The Dagda]

What fun is that?

Good point, I was just being needlessly wise, carry on.

 

[Evo]

No but as said the business world might. Her motivation was to have another baby than the six she already had, we should probably hold off making judgements until we know the whole story.

Not according to people that knew her, she was wanting a dozen kids.

 

[OmCheeto]

First thing that popped into my mind:


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DVD available for $10https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000A2UBNE/?tag=pfamazon01-2099

 

[lisab]

Can you imagine a dog having 64 puppies ?!?

 

[LowlyPion]

Can you imagine a dog having 64 puppies ?!?

That would set up a real competition come feeding time. At from between 6 - 10 nipples, they'd need to be fed in 7 - 11 shifts. I think at that point feeding would just be considered to be continuous.

Poor mom.

 

[Dadface]

And does the ***** expect that her owners should pay for her selfish an irresponsible behaviour?

 

[lonton]

I have no idea of what * means. Are you talking about yourself ?

 

[cristo]

I have no idea of what * means. Are you talking about yourself ?

He means 'female dog.'

 

[lonton]

Thanks cristo,

 

[Phrak]

How many is too many?

I think the answer in this case is 14, as you and I will be paying mama prolificas bills.

 

[Vanadium 50]

How many is too many?

I think the answer in this case is 14, as you and I will be paying mama prolificas bills.

So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? There is some precedent for this.

 

[Astronuc]

So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear?

In Suleman's case - yes! Or put another way, does society have a right to prevent one from imposing one's burden on the rest of society?

Does society have the right to expect one to be responsible for one's acts, one's care, or one's children?

 

[TheStatutoryApe]

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets31-2009jan31,0,6246659.story

The LATimes story says she had twins and 4 other children, before the octuplets. I think that likely rules out the possibility of sextuplets (sextuplets, then octuplets - jeez, that would be crazy!)

This seems to be true.
Also confirmed.
Nothing is said about this, so it is still a possibility.

I was working off of memory so I may be quite wrong on some of these "facts".
One of the crazier rumours is that she had all of these children by the same donor and that the donor is known. If this is the case we could see some interesting court cases.

 

[Phrak]

So do you think society should decide how many children a woman should be allowed to bear? There is some precedent for this.

I think laws of entitlement decide this. This is an extreme case. We've already been through 'The Great Society' in the democrat party's successful bid for the black vote. I think we should expect to live with it, as the extremes of that system, that monitarily encouraged fatherless families dependent on the public treasury, has been greatly reduced.

Am I wrong? Too much entitlement encouragements? Or too little help for those in need?

 

[LowlyPion]

And now for the rest of the story ...

Octuplets’ mother wants Oprah to turn her into a $2m TV star
... Nadya Suleman, 33, plans a career as a television childcare expert after it emerged last week that she already had six children before giving birth on Monday.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/health/article5627531.ece

Octuplets' Mom Hires An Agent
Hattie Kauffman: She Hopes To Become TV Childcare Expert To Earn Living; She Used Settlement Proceeds For In-Vitro ... Suleman's mother told CBS News Nadya paid for in vitro fertilization with money from a legal settlement after a work accident.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/02/earlyshow/health/main4769209.shtml

I'd say she's looking like a prime time opportunist.

Next thing we'll know she will be attending an Alfalfa Club Dinner?

 

[LowlyPion]

I wonder does she have to try so hard to look like Angelina Jolie too?

Octuplets' birth spawns outrage from public

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-octuplets7-2009feb07,0,2129396.story

Still unknown is what clinic implanted the bumper crop. (I'll bet they are praying that never comes out.)

And the outrage of other Kaiser premium payers at the expense to date?

 

[Astronuc]

Apparently the sperm donor is a 'friend'.

I would expect him to pay for his children.

I can imagine that quite a few parents are upset by this woman who is expecting taxpayers to pay for her children.

"I feel as though I've been under the microscope because I chose this unconventional life," she said, suggesting there is a double standard because she's a single mother.

Apparently she doesn't get. Some might be upset about her being a single mother, but the rest of us are a bit outraged, because she expects others to support her irresponsible lifestyle. She (and presumably her parents) can't alone support 14 children, and certainly not their medical bills.

Unconventional lifestyle??! No - just irresponsible and selfish.

 

[LowlyPion]

And it gets worse.

Octuplets Mom Collected $168,000 in Disability Payments
... On Sept. 18, 1999, while on duty as a psychiatric technician at Metropolitan State Hospital in Norwalk, Calif., Suleman responded to an emergency alert called when 20 patients rioted.

"While she attempted to hold down a female patient, she was struck on her back by a desk that was thrown by another patient in the ward," according to a document submitted last year to a state claims examiner. "She experienced the onset of immediate pain in her low back."

Permanent Damage
Doctors advised her against taking a job that involved "prolonged sitting, standing and walking," according to the workers' comp documents.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html

Consider already the circumstances in a hospital where 20 patients are rioting. And she was working there.

 

[WhoWee]

Once you get past the shock of a single parent living with her bankrupt parents in a 3 bedroom house with 6 children, one of which is autistic, taking fertility treatments to have 8 additional babies (plus the cost of delivery, intensive care and follow up medical treatment) and all of the other costs to raise 14 children...the real issue comes into focus.

No...not whether or not she is planning more...who is going to raise these children? Who is going to feed them, burp them, sing them to sleep, read to them, wash their clothes, bathe them, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

I know from experience (4 kids spread over 6 years) it's a lot of work and there's never enough time or attention to needs. Kids have unlimited needs.

Money doesn't solve all problems.

 

[OmCheeto]

And it gets worse.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html

Permanent Damage
Doctors advised her against taking a job that involved "prolonged sitting, standing and walking," according to the workers' comp documents.

Consider already the circumstances in a hospital where 20 patients are rioting. And she was working there.

Well, now that the facts of the story are finally being brought to light, it's starting to make more sense. If she can't sit, stand, or walk, her only option is to lay on her back for the rest of her life and pump out babies. How can anyone not see the logic?

And how cruel of those broadcasters to make her sit through those interviews. Didn't they realize that she was in pain? She should have been interviewed on her back.

And what of all those people who can't have babies? I think Nadya plays an important role by providing a scenario that provides hope and inspiration to those who are childless, living vicariously through her generous gift to the world.

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Monty Python's Life Of Brian - The Immaculate Edition (1979)

Makes you wonder if Terry Gilliam isn't the father.

 

[LowlyPion]

What of her own parents?

Was she never told no?

Was she possibly never spanked?

What told her it was ok to sponge off society and burden the world with more of her brew ... and as chilling - imparting her way of thinking to this cult of her progeny that she has literally spewed from her loins in such excess?

 

[JorgeLobo]

The doc giving her fertility treatment should pay child support for the kids.

 

[Phrak]

She's a role model. Will she be having 8 more?

 

[WhoWee]

What of her own parents?

Was she never told no?

Was she possibly never spanked?

What told her it was ok to sponge off society and burden the world with more of her brew ... and as chilling - imparting her way of thinking to this cult of her progeny that she has literally spewed from her loins in such excess?

Well I guess in this case if they didn't they'll probably wish they had...17 people in their 3 bedroom ranch.

 

[OmCheeto]

Well I guess in this case if they didn't they'll probably wish they had...17 people in their 3 bedroom ranch.

That's only 4 sets of bunk beds per room, assuming of course that the little whelper of a princess gets her own room. I'm sure grammy and grampy won't mind.

 

[LowlyPion]

She's a role model. Will she be having 8 more?

No apparently she cleaned out the fridge of all those fertilized eggs she had laying around.