Is Relativity Denial Still Prevalent in Science Forums?

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In summary, the article explores the persistence of relativity denial among some individuals in science forums, highlighting the reasons behind such skepticism. It discusses the impact of misinformation, the influence of alternative theories, and the role of online communities in perpetuating these beliefs. Despite the overwhelming scientific consensus supporting relativity, the article emphasizes that pockets of denial still exist, fueled by ideological biases and a misunderstanding of scientific principles.
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hutchphd said:
It is indeed sad.
)) The good news is that physics (works or doesn't) whether you believe some ignoramus or not The rest is sound and fury.

Remember Feynman:: "Science is the belief in the belief in the ignorance of experts""
Emil Rupp? Cold fusion? The Bogdanovs?

String Theory? (KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!!)

Fun fact:
Every couple of years or so somebody comes on PHF and tries to convince everyone of the "Einstein Conspiracy." Apparently, Einstein was grievously incorrect about SR and GR, but the Scientific community has decided to bury that fact. (I've never been able to get out of them the reason why.) I used to argue with them about how ridiculous this argument is. Now I simply do the following:
1. I mention that my life would be a lot easier if Einstein were indeed wrong because then I wouldn't have to try to answer questions from "arm-chair Physicists" fresh out of High School that have proven Einstein wrong using High School level Mathematics, and not even Physics.

(1a. I used to ask them to prove it by doing an experiment of their own, but they always say they that don't have enough money and that no one will listen to them.)

2. I ask them why I'm not getting paid to promote this conspiracy. Good conspiracies are hard work. I want fair compensation!

3. I lock the thread.

4. I ban them! (Yippee!)

-Dan
 
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topsquark said:
Emil Rupp? Cold fusion? The Bogdanovs?

String Theory? (KIDDING!! I'M KIDDING!!)

Fun fact:
Every couple of years or so somebody comes on PHF and tries to convince everyone of the "Einstein Conspiracy." Apparently, Einstein was grievously incorrect about SR and GR, but the Scientific community has decided to bury that fact. (I've never been able to get out of them the reason why.) I used to argue with them about how ridiculous this argument is. Now I simply do the following:
1. I mention that my life would be a lot easier if Einstein were indeed wrong because then I wouldn't have to try to answer questions from "arm-chair Physicists" fresh out of High School that have proven Einstein wrong using High School level Mathematics, and not even Physics.

(1a. I used to ask them to prove it by doing an experiment of their own, but they always say they that don't have enough money and that no one will listen to them.)

2. I ask them why I'm not getting paid to promote this conspiracy. Good conspiracies are hard work. I want fair compensation!

3. I lock the thread.

4. I ban them! (Yippee!)

-Dan
Those arguing that relativity is incorrect. Does any of their argumentation have to do with whether GR adequately incorporates or otherwise addresses Mach's principle?
 
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eclars said:
Those arguing that relativity is incorrect. Does any of their argumentation have to do with whether GR adequately incorporates or otherwise addresses Mach's principle?
I don’t know about @topsquark’s relativity deniers, but we here at PhysicsForums have met and banned a fair sample of our own.

The overwhelming majority don’t get anywhere near arcana such as Mach’s principle and GR. They’ve already rejected special relativity.
 
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Nugatory said:
They’ve already rejected special relativity.
And some of them have rejected algebra too.
 
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Nugatory said:
They’ve already rejected special relativity.
Be thankful for that. It makes thing easier, I believe. Who is not clear that SR is just barely an appetizer and would never be able to stand alone is just not fit to discuss the real thing at all.
 
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Be thankful for that. It makes thing easier, I believe.

Well, we had one guy in Warsaw, who has a phd in computer science and wrote anti-relativity book (SR that is), and wanted to make a habilitation in relativity on Warsaw University. And the whole formal process started, our professors had to write a reviews, etc. Took a lot of effort of 'innocent' people, but of course it was dismissed. It was fun reading those reviews, though :oldbiggrin:
 
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FAQ: Is Relativity Denial Still Prevalent in Science Forums?

Is relativity denial still common in online science forums?

Relativity denial is not as common as it once was, but it still exists in some online science forums. Most mainstream science communities accept relativity due to its extensive experimental validation. However, some fringe groups and individuals continue to question or deny it, often due to misunderstandings or ideological reasons.

What are the main arguments used by relativity deniers?

Relativity deniers often argue that the theory is overly complex, lacks intuitive sense, or contradicts classical mechanics. They may also claim that experimental evidence is misinterpreted or that alternative theories can better explain the phenomena. However, these arguments typically stem from a lack of understanding of the theory and its empirical support.

How do scientists respond to relativity denial in forums?

Scientists usually respond to relativity denial by providing clear explanations and evidence supporting the theory. They often point to the numerous experiments and observations that confirm relativity, such as the precession of Mercury's orbit, gravitational time dilation, and the behavior of GPS satellites. Patience and education are key in addressing misconceptions.

Why is relativity still a target for denial despite its success?

Relativity is often targeted for denial because it challenges intuitive notions of space and time and requires a departure from classical mechanics. Additionally, its implications can be philosophically unsettling to some, leading them to reject it despite the overwhelming evidence. This resistance is sometimes fueled by ideological or pseudoscientific beliefs.

What impact does relativity denial have on scientific discourse?

Relativity denial can hinder scientific discourse by spreading misinformation and creating confusion among the public and amateur enthusiasts. It can divert attention from constructive discussions and slow down the acceptance of well-established scientific concepts. However, in professional scientific communities, such denial has little impact due to the robust consensus on relativity.

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