Is the Left Angle of the CKM Unitarity Triangle Really Pi Minus Gamma?

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The discussion centers on proving that the left angle of the CKM unitarity triangle is π minus gamma, represented mathematically as V_{us}V^{*}_{ub}+V_{cs}V^{*}_{cb}+V_{ts}V^{*}_{tb}=0. The user attempts to derive this angle but concludes that it equals gamma minus beta_s instead of π minus gamma. Clarification is sought on whether the misunderstanding arises from the construction of the unitarity triangle or if there is an error in the lecture notes. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationships between the angles and elements of the CKM matrix in the context of complex numbers.
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Homework Statement



I want to proof for $$V_{us}V^{*}_{ub}+V_{cs}V^{*}_{cb}+V_{ts}V^{*}_{tb}=0$$ unitarity triangle that left angle is $$\pi-\gamma$$ (see below picture from my lecture notes).

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$$\gamma \approx - arg(V_{ub})$$
$$\beta_s \approx arg(V_{ts})+\pi$$
$$arg(V_{us}V_{ub}^{*})=arg(V_{ub}^{*})$$
since only Vub*has an imaginry part on this order of Wolfstein parametrization.
$$arg(V_{ts}V_{tb}^{*})=arg(V_{ts})$$
same reason

Vcs and Vcb* are real.

The Attempt at a Solution


Let's call the angle we want to know δ.

$$\delta=\pi+arg(V_{us}V_{ub}^{*})-arg(V_{ts}V_{tb}^{*})=\pi+arg(V_{ub}^{*})-arg(V_{ts})=\pi - arg(V_{ub})+\pi - \beta_s =2\pi -(\beta_s+arg(V_{ub}))=-(\beta_s-\gamma)=\gamma-\beta_s$$

and it is not equal to π-γ.
Could anyone, please, check my solution, because I don't get where my mistake is.
 

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Valeriia Lukashenko said:

Homework Statement



I want to proof for $$V_{us}V^{*}_{ub}+V_{cs}V^{*}_{cb}+V_{ts}V^{*}_{tb}=0$$ unitarity triangle that left angle is $$\pi-\gamma$$ (see below picture from my lecture notes).

What do you mean by "proof for"? If you assume unitarity of the CKM matrix, it follows directly from one of the elements of the unitarity condition ##V^\dagger V = 1##. If you want to have an experimental confirmation of this you need to measure each of the elements. If you want to know why those numbers form a triangle in the complex plane, it is a simple matter of addition of complex numbers.
 
Orodruin said:
What do you mean by "proof for"? If you assume unitarity of the CKM matrix, it follows directly from one of the elements of the unitarity condition ##V^\dagger V = 1##. If you want to have an experimental confirmation of this you need to measure each of the elements. If you want to know why those numbers form a triangle in the complex plane, it is a simple matter of addition of complex numbers.

Yeah, I guess I was not clear in my question. So, ##\gamma## is defined using "The" unitarity triangle (##V_{ud}V_{ub}^{*}+V_{cd}V_{cb}^{*}+V_{td}V_{tb}^{*}=0##). In the triangle above ##\gamma## appears again. In the picture, it appears in left angle ##\pi - \gamma##. I tried to check if this is correct and it didn't work. The result that I get is ##\gamma-\beta_s## for the same angle. I couldn't find any references to cross-check the above triangle (usually one draws "The" unitarity triangle and very schematically other without indicating angles). And I am trying to get is it my lack of understanding of how to properly build/work with unitarity triangle, so I don't get the right answer or my answer is correct and there is a mistake in lecture notes.
 
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