Is this proof of cp - cv correct

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In summary, the conversation is discussing the equations for specific heat at constant pressure (cp) and constant volume (cv), as well as the difference between them (cp-cv). The conversation also mentions using the equations for internal energy (U) and enthalpy (H). However, the approach taken is incorrect as it does not take into account the volume (V) term in the equations.
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cp=(dU/dT)P+P(dv/dT)P
cv=(dU/dT)V
cp-cv=(dU/dT)P+P(dv/dT)P- (dU/dT)V=(dU/dV)T(dV/dT)P+P(dv/dT)P- (dU/dV)T(dV/dT)V
since dV is zero (dU/dV)T(dV/dT)V is zero.
Hence
cp-cv=(dU/dV)T(dV/dT)P+P(dv/dT)P

I expanded both dU/dT and since one of them has no change in volume it is zero. is it acceptable? Did I multiply and divide both expressions by dV?
 
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This is done incorrectly. Start with $$dU=C_vdT-\left[P-T\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V\right]dV$$and $$dH=dU+d(PV)=C_PdT+\left[V-T\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P\right]dP$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
This is done incorrectly. Start with $$dU=C_vdT-\left[P-T\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V\right]dV$$and $$dH=dU+d(PV)=C_PdT+\left[V-T\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P\right]dP$$
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Chestermiller said:
This is done incorrectly. Start with $$dU=C_vdT-\left[P-T\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V\right]dV$$and $$dH=dU+d(PV)=C_PdT+\left[V-T\left(\frac{\partial V}{\partial T}\right)_P\right]dP$$
 

FAQ: Is this proof of cp - cv correct

What is cp and cv?

CP and CV refer to specific heat capacities, which are physical properties of a substance that describe how much heat energy is required to raise the temperature of a certain amount of the substance by a certain amount.

How are cp and cv related?

CP and CV are related by the equation CP - CV = R, where R is the gas constant. This relationship is known as the Mayer's relation and is based on the First Law of Thermodynamics.

Why is it important to have accurate values for cp and cv?

Accurate values for cp and cv are important for understanding the thermodynamic properties of a substance and for predicting how it will behave under different conditions. They are also used in various engineering and scientific calculations.

How can we determine the values of cp and cv for a substance?

The values of cp and cv can be determined experimentally through calorimetry or through theoretical calculations using thermodynamic equations and data. These values can also vary depending on the temperature and pressure of the substance.

Is the proof of cp - cv correct for all substances?

The proof of cp - cv is based on the First Law of Thermodynamics and is applicable to all substances, as long as they follow the laws of thermodynamics. However, the specific values of cp and cv may vary for different substances and conditions.

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