Japan Earthquake: Nuclear Plants at Fukushima Daiichi

In summary: RCIC consists of a series of pumps, valves, and manifolds that allow coolant to be circulated around the reactor pressure vessel in the event of a loss of the main feedwater supply.In summary, the earthquake and tsunami may have caused a loss of coolant at the Fukushima Daiichi NPP, which could lead to a meltdown. The system for cooling the reactor core is designed to kick in in the event of a loss of feedwater, and fortunately this appears not to have happened yet.
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NUCENG said:
Zirconium is near the bottom of the list at 0.184 barns ( a measure of the cross section for thermal neutron capture. Basically zirconium is transparent to neutrons. Thus it makes an excellent cladding material for efficient use of fuel. Gold is about 3 orders of magnitude higher at 98.7 barns. As Dmytry said it would take away from the neutrons available to the fuel. That would require increasing the fuel load or enrichment to get the same power production.

Boron is used for control rods and in chemical shutdowns because its cross section is 767 barns.
I don't think it'd matter noticeably that it'd take away neutrons, if the coating is very thin (e.g. a few micrometers), but a significant fraction of it would still turn into mercury, so you'd get some sort of gold-mercury amalgam. I really don't know if it would even remain there at all. Plus the mercury tends to have corrosive effect. edit: plus, perhaps, electrochemical corrosion as well, if any of gold flakes off.
 
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and now tepco held press point in English ...
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14088840
I'll watch it tomorrow .. to tired
 
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Jorge Stolfi said:
The damage on the top edge of the north wall of unit 4 suggests something struck it horizonally coming from unit 3. There is a large piece of curved metal(?) sheet that fell sideways into the roof of unit 4, right next to its top edge.

I'll start a new attempt to raise awareness for an annotated picture posted before:
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The annotation characterizes the curved deformation as damage from heat. Isn't that plausible? Do we have any reliable information on the sequence of events in No4 (fire before/after explosion)

@TCups, you posted the picture, You remember where you got it?
 
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elektrownik said:
Can anyone look on new nisa report and write here what think about new data ? They add values from many sensors: http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/20110417002/20110417002-2.pdf

They seem to include the temperatures for cores A and B Suppression chambers and drywel.

Drywell chamber temperatures are separated between RPV and HVH ,
I think RVP is the outside temperature of the reactor pressure vessel extending into the drywell.

Reactor 3 RPV temperature within the drywell seems highest with a temperature of 253.2 C ,
which is higher than the RPV bottomhead temp itself , suggesting what ??
An amount of molten core within the drywell ?
 
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Dmytry said:
theres a problem with that. Slow-release overpressure blows out one or two panels and that's it. This should've crushed through floors to get to bottom. Furthermore, its precisely the slow applied force that would damage steel more for same amount of concrete crushing. It's the slow blast that tears non fragile stuff apart; its the fast blast that crushes fragile stuff without it flying far.
What if it had repeating transient criticality, water hammer style, shaking the building real bad? It seems plausible for me that there could be oscillations in the criticality, and the pool would be shaken very hard (by reaction of water).

Not knowing much about nuclear physics, if I assume that transient criticality could create water hammers, then certainly that could shake the building. I'm not sure it could blow out some of the holes we see in the lower levels. That's not just crumbled concrete - it's bent rebar. Somehow we have to account for a force pushing out of the building from a variety of locations.

I tentatively disagree with your statement that slow-release overpressure would be able to vent through only one or two panels. There are different time scales of "slow", and we have to consider the length scale as well.

The length scale I'm proposing here is tens of meters. The air in a ten-meter cube weighs about a ton. Most explosions do not release anywhere near a ton of gas. For comparison, a one-meter air tank at 1000 atm would hold less than a ton. A SCUBA tank at 100 atm will take out a building.

I've proposed a mechanism that could rapidly (probably under a second) release 100 tons of gas. Our intuitions about explosions are likely to be wrong. So what would happen if the pool burped?

First, the pressure would never go above 2 atm, except for water-hammer and possibly gas-hammer effects. 2 atm might bulge a relatively thin metal plate (the tank liner) quite substantially without rupturing it. That plate, pushing against a concrete wall, might thoroughly destroy the wall, while still retaining its own integrity.

Second, at these scales and pressures, the mass of ambient air becomes a significant tamper to the gas release. It takes time to push tons of air out of the way with only 30 PSI of force. The pressure near the pool might have been, say, 1.5 atm for substantial fractions of a second - long enough for superheated water to be sprayed into lower-level rooms. Once in those rooms, the water would then flash to (very damp) steam, raising their pressure by up to several PSI.

If someone demonstrates that the damage to the panels would require 100 PSI, then that rules out my theory. (Note that this is *not* the strength of the concrete itself, which is measured in many thousands of PSI, but the strength of the panel architecture.) The steam from superheated pool water could never get above the water pressure at the bottom of the pool. But that is almost 500 inches of water.

So, here's the intuition: Could you figure out a way to do that much damage to the building, if you had thousands of SCUBA tanks that you could put anywhere and blow up in any combination? A SCUBA tank holds about 2.5 kg (80 cubic feet) of air, so about 400 SCUBA tanks per ton of steam. (A SCUBA tank, holding much higher pressure, would do more damage to anything very close to it. But the "knock a building off its foundations" effect happens at a distance, so it is comparable to a large release of low-pressure steam.)

Chris
 
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cphoenix: Dunno. It just seems to me that the 2-bar steam from the SPF would blow off the roof (and the walls) on top first, and would not blow off anything else. Sure, sure, intuitions might be wrong, but I really don't think 2-bar overpressure would blow through the floor after blowing the roof off. Keep in mind that there's tons and tons of air in the way of this 2-bar overpressure. Intuitions might be wrong but they're better than no mental 'simulation' at all.
Also i really don't think water would superheat on the bottom without being convection stirred. I've no idea how stupidly those spent fuel pools are designed, but even with all due disrespect for the industry that has control rods fall out during maintenance, I don't think spent fuel pool wouldn't be able to convection-stir itself.

GJBRKS said:
They seem to include the temperatures for cores A and B Suppression chambers.

Drywell chamber temperatures are separated between RPV and HVH ,
I think RVP is the outside temperature of the reactor pressure vessel extending into the drywell.

Reactor 3 RPV temperature within the drywell seems highest with a temperature of 253.2 C ,
which is higher than the RPV bottomhead temp itself , suggesting what ??
An amount of molten core within the drywell ?
If you have temperature higher than that of saturated steam at given pressure, it immediately follows that there must be something hotter still, that is not covered by water, instead heating steam directly. Which means, there is uncovered fuel. And a lot of it, I'd say.
 
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TCups said:
@Fred:

As for the existence of 3 separate crane structures in the service floor of Bldg 3, I can find no reference to support that.
Considering the states of the unit 3, I 'm just suggesting it as I can not really prove it, apart from an analogy to unit 4 who feature 3 cranes http://k.min.us/ikzpLE.jpg .
I'm not nulling out that the FHM from the SFP was partialy moved to the north either.
 
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Dmytry said:
If you have temperature higher than that of saturated steam at given pressure, it immediately follows that there must be something hotter still, that is not covered by water, instead heating steam directly. Which means, there is uncovered fuel. And a lot of it, I'd say.

So with negative pressure , low waterlevels and low temperatures inside the RPV , and high temperature inside the drywell underneath the RPV , but still low atmospheric pressure , and highest pressure inside the suppresion pool , could I conclude that at least part of the fuel core has melted through the pressure vessel into the drywell of reactor 3 ? Perhaps clogging the hole shut after cooling restarted ? And venting any overpressure into the S/C ?
 
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Those new data are very interesting:
-Sensor b for #2 water level back online and it show -2100 (and a is -1500)
-s/c #2 sensor b show 121 Sv
-s/c #3 sensor b show 56 Sv
 
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Hope this hasn't been posted before: http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/intro/outline/outline-j.html" from TEPCO after you pipe it through a translator.
 
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OnlyOneTruth said:
I'll start a new attempt to raise awareness for an annotated picture posted before:

most annotation were speculation made early and were proven wrong

- Big steam pipe is located close to unit 3 (perspective error) and was destroyed in U3 explosion
- The actual concrete panel corresponding to the hole has been blown outward from U4
- every time some one see some red bleeding due to compression they think it's glowing , I'm also seen report of UFO at fukushima based on dust making some picture out of foucus..
- There is no evidence that the roof melted, other visual rules out melting imo, and suggest cut and bent
-I don't think there was any robots at the time
 
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GJBRKS said:
could I conclude that at least part of the fuel core has melted through the pressure vessel into the drywell of reactor 3 ?

From what I understand if that will happen we will see different isotopes around the plant.
 
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OnlyOneTruth said:
I'll start a new attempt to raise awareness for an annotated picture posted before:
r735227_5964756.jpg


The annotation characterizes the curved deformation as damage from heat. Isn't that plausible? Do we have any reliable information on the sequence of events in No4 (fire before/after explosion)<..>

I don't think that is a plausible damage from heat.

Allow me to draw your attention to a possible suspect at the foot of the building (see attachment). It is found at the scene of the crime, in a plausible position after an assumed hammering of unit 4's north side. It appears to be a boiler tank or something of that sort, about 10 meters long, about 3 meter in diameter. It appears to have been blasted. And, perhapos significantly, it appears to be lying on top of pieces of unit 3's roof construction.
 

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|Fred said:
and now tepco held press point in English ...
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14088840

It seems they want to fill the drywell with water, to cover and cool the reactor pressure vessel.

Why would one do that? The steel is so thick that it cannot conduct that much heat. Is it cracked open? Tepco said that they had to guess the RPV water level.

And they said that at this moment they did not believe that there was an ongoing criticality at reactor 1. Mumbling something about neutron measurements.

The journalists did not seem very well prepared.
 
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Borek said:
From what I understand if that will happen we will see different isotopes around the plant.

We will not see any isotopes until tepco will give us data about them, they give us now only I and Cs...
 
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OnlyOneTruth said:
I'll start a new attempt to raise awareness for an annotated picture posted before:
r735227_5964756.jpg


The annotation characterizes the curved deformation as damage from heat. Isn't that plausible? Do we have any reliable information on the sequence of events in No4 (fire before/after explosion)

@TCups, you posted the picture, You remember where you got it?

I remember the picture well. I can't source it. I think it was a Reuters picture and its original annotations were only the red Japanese characters.

The English annotations added were my own observations and speculations at the time, most of which have subsequently proved to be wrong (as |Fred has noted).
 
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etudiant said:
It has been suggested elsewhere that the fuel rods could have been protected effectively against failure by a thin gold coating, to protect the zirconium cladding from oxidation.
Is this valid even if the fuel rods overheat substantially because of lack of cooling?
Obviously the gold coating could fail once the temperature reaches the melting point of gold, but a very thin coating might well remain intact even if above melting.
Any studies or references would be very much appreciated.

Gold platings are quite effective at preventing oxidation, but are also fragile, especially when there is gas and corrosive things like Iodine present. So, the gold might work great at modest temperatures, but when stuff gets hot, I think the plating would start to flake and shed pretty rapidly. Obviously you couldn't afford a really heavy gold plating.

Jon
 
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MadderDoc said:
I don't think that is a plausible damage from heat.

Allow me to draw your attention to a possible suspect at the foot of the building (see attachment). It is found at the scene of the crime, in a plausible position after an assumed hammering of unit 4's north side. It appears to be a boiler tank or something of that sort, about 10 meters long, about 3 meter in diameter. It appears to have been blasted. And, perhapos significantly, it appears to be lying on top of pieces of unit 3's roof construction.

Astute observation. The tank is on top of ground debris, but that doesn't necessarily confirm it came from Bldg 4. But the path of debris from the hole in the side of Bldg 4 plus the impact damage to the north side of the smaller building structure and the final resting place would be consistent with the tank being a projectile.

These hi-res views weren't available when the causes of the damage from the initial north face photograph of Bldg 4 was posted.
 

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TCups said:
REGARDING THE INTERNAL BALLISTICS OF EXPLOSIONS IN CONFINED SPACES

I cannot speak with authority about hydrogen gas + oxygen explosions, but I can speak with authority about reloading ammunition with various gunpowders and primers so, for what its worth, consider this:

Propellants are tricky in their burn characteristics. Propellants like double-base propellants or those found in rockets (Ammonia perchlorate / HTPB) have burn rates that are much more sensitive to pressure then a simple H2 + O2 reaction is.

For reference here is a power plant that exploded due to a CH4 leak.. Note the damage in the photo is not too different then what we see at fukushima.

[PLAIN]http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/144/boom.jpg
 
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elektrownik said:
Can anyone look on new nisa report and write here what think about new data ? They add values from many sensors: http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/20110417002/20110417002-2.pdf

I see that they added two temperature sensors in the suppression chamber, which so far agree quite well: #1 = 54C, #2 = 77C, #3 = 44C.

They also added another CAMS reading for the drywell, the (B) reading: These are quite different from the (A) readings: #1 = ?(A,B), #2 = 26.00(A) 29.50(B), #3 = 15.90(A) 12.10(B), all Sv/h.

They also added another CAMS reading for the suppression torus, the (B) reading, also very different from (A): #1 = 1.07(A) 667(B), #2 = 0.60(A) 121.00(B), #3 = 0.60(A) 56.20(B), also in Sv/h

I believe there is a typo in release 97, the #1 drywell CAMS reading "1.07×100 Sv/h" should be 1.07×101.

In that same sheet, the #3 drywell CAMS reading "2.00×101 Sv/h" may be a typo; from the adjacent values it should be around 1.6×101

I am waiting for the next release (99) to update my plots.
 
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Dmytry said:
cphoenix: Dunno. It just seems to me that the 2-bar steam from the SPF would blow off the roof (and the walls) on top first, and would not blow off anything else. Sure, sure, intuitions might be wrong, but I really don't think 2-bar overpressure would blow through the floor after blowing the roof off. Keep in mind that there's tons and tons of air in the way of this 2-bar overpressure. Intuitions might be wrong but they're better than no mental 'simulation' at all.
Also i really don't think water would superheat on the bottom without being convection stirred. I've no idea how stupidly those spent fuel pools are designed, but even with all due disrespect for the industry that has control rods fall out during maintenance, I don't think spent fuel pool wouldn't be able to convection-stir itself.

I agree that the water would not blow through a solid floor. And I agree that an undamaged pool would probably convection-stir itself.

If something flat fell into the pool, so that it lay on top of the fuel racks, it could easily suppress convection. Either an aftershock or the building 3 explosion might have knocked stuff into the pool. I assume the fuel racks are more like a bundle of pipes than like an open lattice, so any pipe you closed the top of would superheat. You wouldn't have to cover the whole pool or rack area. Whatever fraction you covered, that's what fraction of 100 tons of steam you'd get.

I completely agree about the tons of air in the way of the overpressure. That's why I think some of the water might have stayed superheated and liquid long enough to run or spray belowdecks. I'm picturing a closed room on the outer edge of the building. Suddenly a few hundred pounds of superheated water sprays in through a vent shaft. The pressure in the room goes up to 5 or 10 PSI over atmospheric. Now there's 100 tons of force pushing on the wall. Pop!

Meanwhile, up above, the steam bows out one wall, blows out some panels, lifts the roof, then escapes, leaving the roof to drape itself softly over the floor. The moving air and steam knock things off shelves and scatters them over the floor. Some bigger things are thrown around by having a thousand-ton water cannon shot at them.

From outside the building, it's hard to tell what happened. There's no BOOM, just a giant gurgle and hiss, and some cracking sounds from the crumbling concrete. The building puffs steam, which quickly dissipates. There's no residual smoke. And in five seconds, the building has gone from intact to destroyed.

Edit/afterthought: Does anyone have pictures of conventional power plants destroyed by a boiler explosion? The boiler would be hotter, of course, but the overall effects might be similar. I'll start with these... http://machinetec.blogspot.com/2010/11/safty.html
 
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ottomane said:
Btw: New sensor data from R3. Radiation now at 253 Sv/h. Noone can tell me the core is still closed if this value is real.

Maybe I am looking at a different source, but the value of 253 looks to be the temperature of the R3 pressure vessel bellows seal in degrees C. The R3 drywell radiation readings are 15.9 Sv/h and 21.1 Sv/h, as of 6:00 on 4/17:

http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/20110417002/20110417002-2.pdf
 
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TCups said:
Astute observation. The tank is on top of ground debris, but that doesn't necessarily confirm it came from Bldg 4. But the path of debris from the hole in the side of Bldg 4 plus the impact damage to the north side of the smaller building structure and the final resting place would be consistent with the tank being a projectile.

These hi-res views weren't available when the causes of the damage from the initial north face photograph of Bldg 4 was posted.

However, in defence of the suspect object, it would seem evidenced from a Digitalglobe satellite photo taken on March 12th (detail attached) in which the object can be seen lying in it's present position, that this object has absolute nothing to do with any of the later events in unit 3 and 4. Oh well.
 

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TCups said:
I remember the picture well. I can't source it. I think it was a Reuters picture and its original annotations were only the red Japanese characters.
<..>

The picture is a Tepco handout, a detail from a photo depicting all 4 reactors. There is a link to both photos close to the bottom of this page:
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/110311/index-e.html
 
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PietKuip said:
It seems they want to fill the drywell with water, to cover and cool the reactor pressure vessel.

Why would one do that? The steel is so thick that it cannot conduct that much heat. Is it cracked open? ...

How thick is the containment vessel? And what's the temperature difference across it (inside to outside)? I'd guess that the thickness of the steel doesn't matter much relative to the (probably low) heat transfer coefficients at the inner & outer surfaces.
 
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GJBRKS said:
They seem to include the temperatures for cores A and B Suppression chambers and drywel.

Drywell chamber temperatures are separated between RPV and HVH ,
I think RVP is the outside temperature of the reactor pressure vessel extending into the drywell.

The full legend is "RPV bellows seal."
The other one is "HVH return."
(Wherever those two locations are.)

Reactor 3 RPV temperature within the drywell seems highest with a temperature of 253.2 C ,
which is higher than the RPV bottomhead temp itself , suggesting what ??
An amount of molten core within the drywell ?

This actually resolves a little mystery that was puzzling me a couple of days ago. There was a report on the asahi.com website on the 15th that the internal temperature at Reactor 3 had been rising, from 170 degrees on 4/12, to 200 degrees on 4/13, and 250 degrees on 4/14. The article said it was possible the sensor was reporting incorrect values due to earthquake damage, but the fact that the temperature was rising was certain. Cause unknown, but they planned to try changing the water injection rate.

http://www.asahi.com/special/10005/TKY201104140523.html

However, no other news agency reported this, and I didn't see any such temperatures in the METI data sheets, so I wondered if this was somehow a mistaken report. Now it seems that it was indeed a correct report, based on not-publically-released readings. Presumably, the temperatures in the article were measured at the RPV bellows seal.
 
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I have been looking at the pressure-presure and pressure-temerature plots made from TEPCO's faxed data:
http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/cur/Main.html

Just to get the ball rolling, here are my interpretations

Reactor #1

I have no pressure data for #1 before the RPV got depressurized, and no plottable data pair before the #1 explosion.

Between March 13 and 15, shorly after the explosion (69 to 107 hours; red dots), core pressure PC and drywell pressure PD both decreased exponentially, keeping an almost perfect relation PD = 1.56*(PC - 80). Note that PD was higher than PC at this time. One mechanism I can think of that could explain this behavior is if gas or liquid was flowing from the drywell into the RPV and from there to the outside, by relatively narrow channels.

Another possibility is that the drywell was flooded to a level above the RPV's bottom but below the RPV's internal water level, and both vessels were airtight except for a leak in the bottom of the RPV, allowing water to flow from the DW into the RPV as the pressure in the latter fell.

During this time the torus and drywell were at exactly the same pressure. That presumably argues against he drywell being flooded at the time.

Between March 16 and 18 I have no drywell pressure data for unit #1.

Between March 18 and March 22 (180 to 290 hours; brown and green dots) pressures were stable, PC = 270 kPA, PD = 180 kPA. From March 23 to 24 (290 to 320 hours; light blue dots) both began to increase slowly, roughly preserving the diference PC = PD + 100 kPa. Perhaps the water level in the core was now 10 m higher than in the drywell, and the difference was maintained somehow.

Through all that time (March 18 to 24) the pressure in the drywell was almost exactly 20 kPa higher than in the torus. Perhaps the drywell's pressure sensor was under 2 m o water at that time?

By March 24 the drywell and torus pressures were close to their design limits. On March 24 (320 hours on; beginning of dark blue dots) the drywell pressure was apparently vented . Curiously, at first the core pressure PC too decreased slightly, suggesting again a narrow leak beween the two containers. But this "leak" apparently got plugged, so that PC continued to increase in the following days while PD remained constant at 370 kPa. There were two other drywell release events on March 29 (to 210 kPa) and March 31 (to 150 kPa); again PC decreased slightly as well during the releases, then kept on increasing.

From March 24 to April 7 the torus pressure was rigorously equal to the drywell pressure, suggesting that there was a connection between them.

Something again happened on April 07 (nitrogen injection?) The drywell pressure increased from 150 kPa to 200 kPa then remained stable until today (April 17). On that day PC fell momentarily then recovered and continued its steady increase.

On april 7 the torus pressure PS had a smaller increase and stabilized at 20 kPa below PD. Perhaps the connection between DW and SC was closed? Or the DW pressure sensor again got submerged in 2 m of water?

I will save my "analysis" of plots for #2 and #3 for later.
 
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Jorge Stolfi said:
I have been looking at the pressure-pressure and pressure-temperature plots made from TEPCO's faxed data:
http://www.ic.unicamp.br/~stolfi/EXPORT/projects/fukushima/plots/cur/Main.html

Just to get the ball rolling, here are my interpretations

Reactor #1

I have no pressure data for #1 before the RPV got depressurized, and no plottable data pair before the #1 explosion.

Between March 13 and 15, shorly after the explosion (69 to 107 hours; red dots), core pressure PC and drywell pressure PD both decreased exponentially, keeping an almost perfect relation PD = 1.56*(PC - 80). Note that PD was higher than PC at this time. One mechanism I can think of that could explain this behavior is if gas or liquid was flowing from the drywell into the RPV and from there to the outside, by relatively narrow channels. (underline added)(snip)

Please refer to my post:
MJRacer said:
It might be helpful to review this document: (http://cryptome.org/0003/daiichi-assess.pdf)

Selected quotes that probably apply to all 3 units:

Recirculation pump seals have likely failed.
Vessel temperature readings are likely metal temperature which lags actual conditions.
Low level release path: fuel damaged, reactor coolant system potentially breached at recirculation pump seals, primary containment damaged resulting in low level release.

Might recirc pump seal failure agree with your analysis?
 
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NUCENG said:
So whence cometh the damage to Unit #4 exterior? There appears to be photography showing Unit 4 intact after Unit #3 exploded. But look at Unit 3 in those pictures. There is concrete slab siding on the ground floor and two floors of open concrete support beams and girders. In the pictures showing Unit 4 damaged the seems to be another floor missing from Unit 3. The damage to Unit 4 is bent away from unit 3. Is it possible there was a second explosion at Unit 3 that caused the damage to Unit 4?

I think the following image argues against this admittedly intriguing idea:
http://livedoor.2.blogimg.jp/dqnplus/imgs/6/d/6dffb5e9.jpg

That was on 3/14, after #3 blew up but before #4 did.
The damage to building #3 seems largely complete at this point already.
#4 has no visible damage yet.

Zoom in of the above:
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Compare with the next day, after whatever had happened to #4:
[URL]http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/110311/images/110316_1f_chijou_1.jpg[/URL]

They look about the same to me...
 
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Hello, I've been lurking here for the last month. I was happy to find a place where people actually knew what they were talking about. For that, thank you.

I found a Tepco press site with images and videos, some that I have not yet seen on any other sites.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/110311/

I found the "Sampling in Spent Fuel Pool of Unit 4" video very interesting. I was surprised it is in such good shape, at least to my "not-a-scientist" eyes.
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/news/110311/images/110414_1f_1.zip

If you have already seen these, I apologize and I will go back to my lurking.
 
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Are there any good options (i.e. free) for uploading large images to the web? I have some more Oyster Creek drawings, but they are very large. I uploaded a couple to photobucket but they have a size limit that makes the result useless.

These are both originally 5088 x 3296 pixels at 72 dpi. I've played with resizing in photoshop and saving with different jpeg quality compression ratios, but none come out clear enough to show any details.

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd509/MiceAndMen1/Oyster Creek/OysterCreekDwgRB.jpg
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd509/MiceAndMen1/Oyster Creek/OysterCreekDwgRefuelLevel.jpg

I suppose the best solution is to post the URLs to the original PDFs. I'll have to find them first, but I'll post them when I do.
 
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For those looking to pin down the location of the camera that captured the explosion of Unit 3, I used a program called Global Mapper (an excellent piece of software) to get a 3D idea of the topography surrounding the plant. Global Mapper let me download ASTER elevation data for the area. I coupled that with a topographic map I found on a Harvard website, and used Global Mapper to drape the topographic map over the top of the 3D elevation data. I drew a line from the corner of the Unit 3 reactor building through the vent stack that it was lined up with in the explosion video, and extended that line out to 16 km. Global Mapper has an additional function (one of many) that generates an elevation profile along that line.

Source data from ASTER
http://asterweb.jpl.nasa.gov/

Topo map from Harvard (Fukushima base map at the bottom of the page)
http://cegrp.cga.harvard.edu/japan/?q=category/tags/topography&page=1

The topo map was originally made in 1970, although there is a notation on the side of the map that says the air information is correct through October of 1980. There's also a disclaimer that some of the data might not be completely accurate. Nevertheless, there are multiple aerial obstructions noted at the Fukushima Daiichi site. One gives the height above ground as 82 meters, and the other as 131 meters. I'm not sure how to correlate that information with the vent stacks we've seen in all the pictures.
 

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Gah! A 3-file attachment limit to posts... OK, here is the 3D pic I generated with Global Mapper and its associated elevation profile out to about 5 km. Note the high spot is about 65 meters, and that is lower than either stack height listed on the topographic map.
 

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