Japan Earthquake: Nuclear Plants at Fukushima Daiichi

[I_P]

Thanks for that translation Tustsuji, I hope they make some progress with their inquiry and are able to resolve some of those outstanding questions - or at least shed some additional light.

Regarding the earthquake damage - I recall reading that there were radiation alarms set off before the tsunami arrived and as the "remaining questions" list shows the state of the cooling apparatus immediately following the earthquake remains in doubt.

Clearly also there are unresolved issues about the source of hydrogen that fueled the explosion at unit 4.

 

[I_P]

dbl post again - must remember to explicitly log in before trying to post a reply. Any help on guidelines/tips for posting images to the thread would be appreciated.

 

[tsutsuji]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130604/0445_chikasui.html Heeding to a remark by a Nuclear Regulaton Agency officer, Tepco performed a more precise measurement of the groundwater intended for release into the sea. In the past, Tepco said that the cesium 137 concentration was lower than the detection threshold. Now Tepco is providing a measurement of 0.39 Bq/l . This is lower than Tepco's internal standard of 1 Bq/l and lower than the legal requirement of 90 Bq/l. There is no prospect of starting the releases as the local fishermen have been resisting. Tepco said "we are going to politely explain to the local inhabitants that this is lower than our internal standard".

Any help on guidelines/tips for posting images to the thread would be appreciated.

What do you want to know ? If the picture is on your computer, you may use the "manage attachments" button below the edit box. If the picture is online you may type the image URL and insert it between [ I M G] [/ I M G] tags (or click on the icon above the edit box).

 

[I_P]

This is the image I tried to post on the previous page showing the spike in emissions after march 20th:

 

[I_P]

"manage attachments" worked. I tried the url and [ I M G ] tags last time and it didn't seem to work for me. Thank you Tsutsuji

 

[tsutsuji]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130530/0510_kiseicho.html The NRA is starting an inspection on 30 May to investigate accident causes. They will go to unit 1 and check the circumstances of a water leak that had been reported by an employee before the tsunami struck, and whose cause remains unknown. Because of radiations, the inspection on unit 1's 4th floor, to be performed by 5 Nuclear Regulation Agency employees on 31 May will be limited to about 10 minutes. On May 1st they held their first meeting and discussed the possibility that earthquake damage took place in a unit 1 cooling system. The purpose of the inspection is to check the validity of the explanation that water from the pool flowed into the air conditioning system, by looking for equipment damage. The second meeting will be held in the beginning of June.

http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0605/TKY201306040838.html The NRA released two pictures of the inspection on unit 1's 4th floor.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130605/1010_koukai.html They took hundreds of pictures and a 40 minute long video. Maximum exposure was 4.8 mSv. Results of this inspection will be announced at the second study group meeting.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130605/1010_koukai.html A patrol found a leak from an above-ground tank at 00:15 PM today. The rate was about one drop every 3 or 4 seconds. The leak was stopped about 4 hours later as a result of tightening bolts and transferring part of the water to another tank. The total amount is about 1 l.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts_130605_08-j.pdf Leakage from flange of G6 area tank (cylindrical metallic tank)

 

[turi]

The NRA released two pictures of the inspection on unit 1's 4th floor. [...]They took hundreds of pictures and a 40 minute long video. Maximum exposure was 4.8 mSv. Results of this inspection will be announced at the second study group meeting.

Wooo. Yet another visit and video of unit one's 4th floor. I still don't know what they were looking for during the last two visits but I find them fascinating.

 

[a.ua.]

During the May inspection, the investigators were able to remain on the fourth floor of the building--where the condensers were installed--for only 15 minutes due to high levels of radiation, which were measured at 20-30 millisieverts per hour.
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201306050085

What can you learn in 15 minutes.?

Sorry, but this is ridiculous.
No one checked the availability of water in the tanks themselves, checked only tool the water.

In addition, it is clear that the valve (outside) need to be opened by hand, very quickly.
03.11.2011. Just 1.5 hours was in stock.
then on top of the reactor accumulated non-condensable gases and end all.
the condenser air pocket, it does not work....
.

 

[I_P]

What can you learn in 15 minutes.?

Sorry, but this is ridiculous.

I think the idea was to photograph and record video of relevant areas and to analyze the pictures after the fact. They had specific questions so the photography should have been well targeted.

We will see what they come up with.

 

[tsutsuji]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130619/1300_kenshutsu.html Tritium and strontium were found above the legal levels set for sea releases, in measurement wells on the sea side of unit 2. Tepco says the cause could be the April 2011 high radioactive water leaks. Tepco will reinforce the sea bank so that the water doesn't pour into the sea, and dig additional monitoring wells.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130619/index.html nearby seawater radiation levels are stable.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130619/1920_okure.html The disclosure of this well contamination problem has been two weeks late, as Tepco was aware of it as soon as 31 May 2013. However the Tepco headquarters in Tokyo learned about it only on 11 June. The time taken to reach the management and to wait for the strontium analysis results (strontium analysis requires time) resulted in the disclosure on 19 June.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130619/1920_moushiire.html Fukushima prefecture sent a formal request to Tepco to analyse the cause and prevent sea release.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts_130619_03-e.pdf Results of Groundwater Quality Survey at the East Side of the Turbine Building at Fukushima Daiichi NPS

 

[tsutsuji]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130625/0730_tritium.html Seawater samples taken on 21 June 2013 in the northern part of the harbour were found with 1100 Bq/l of tritrium instead of around 100 Bq/l until last April. Although this is 50 times lower than the legal maximum level, this raises the concern that contaminated groundwater may be leaking into the sea. Tepco says the reason for the concentration rise is still unknown.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/smp/2013/images/2tb-east_130625_02-e.pdf Tritium Analysis Results of Seawater in the Port at Fukushima Daiichi NPS

 

[Rive]

Hi,

Here is this PDF: http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts_130704_03-e.pdf

Can somebody please check if the surface radiation is really 110Sv/h, and it's not a translation or other mistake?

110Sv/h would be a bit extreme and unique for any external site, and for sampling such material a simple plastic bag is a bit... poor.

 

[krater]

Your PDF reader seems to have not parsed the symbol for micro in front of the dose given (in microsieverts/h)

 

[Rive]

Pf... Bummer.
Thanks.

 

[hellbet]

105 µSv/ is gamma dose rate from this sample, beta dose rate is 3.3 mSv/h (3300 µSv/h), though.

http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts_130702_04-j.pdf

Around 100 Sv/h (Cs-137) might be Gamma dose rate from a real fuel sample, if any.

 

[Bandit127]

Rising radiation levels in water

There has been a rise in detected levels of Tritium and Caesium in water tested in the plant recently.

For example:
http://rt.com/news/radiation-levels-soar-fukushima-839/
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2013/07/08/fukushima-watch-tritium-levels-soar-on-coast-at-fukushima-plant/

Do we think this is groundwater contaminated in the original accident now slowly making its way down to the sea?

 

[zapperzero]

Do we think this is groundwater contaminated in the original accident now slowly making its way down to the sea?

Err... no. It has to be cooling water injected some time after the accident, which is leeching out from the cores in some way or another.

Its origin is rather inconsequential anyway...

 

[etudiant]

Are we perhaps measuring the diffusion rate of the plume of radioactive material from the damaged reactors?
I had thought that the initial plan was to keep the reactor area water level slightly below that of the surrounding area, because that would ensure ground water flows would be into, not out of, the contamination zone.
What I have no insight into is what is the diffusion rate of the various contaminants from the reactor area. That process will gradually spread the contamination, even against an inflow, because the inflows tend to be localized, while diffusion works everywhere. However, faster inflows help limit diffusive outflows.
It is probably true that TEPCO had expected to dump the treated water fairly quickly, in order to have space available for an aggressive water recirculation treatment program. That they are currently stuck storing huge volumes of basically clean water was predictable, but only in Japan. The result I believe has been that water processing has been slowed for want of storage space and that the contamination has spread more rapidly, because the rate of water inflow into the reactor area has been reduced by the slower water treatment withdrawals.
Can anyone with better physics know how that I confirm this, or put me straight if this is false?

 

[nikkkom]

I fail to understand why water is stored instead of being processed by evaporator and discharged in the ocean.
Are there other isotopes beside tritium which won't be separated by distillation?

 

[ronaldkr]

Masao Yoshida Passes Away

Masao Yoshida, TEPCO Executive Officer (former Plant Chief of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station), passed away aged 58, at 11:32AM on Tuesday, July 9 at a hospital in Tokyo due to esophageal cancer. He had been battling the disease for some time.
[...]

From first TEPCO press statement, 9 July 2013 (http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2013/1228822_5130.html).

We will remember that guy.

 

[zapperzero]

There's some steam coming from reactor 3 now

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2013/1229142_5130.html

 

[triumph61]

Since a few days
http://photo.tepco.co.jp/en/date/2013/201307-e/130718-01e.html
http://photo.tepco.co.jp/en/date/2013/201307-e/130722-01e.html

 

[zapperzero]

Since a few days
http://photo.tepco.co.jp/en/date/2013/201307-e/130718-01e.html
http://photo.tepco.co.jp/en/date/2013/201307-e/130722-01e.html

The thermograph pictures are a bit confusing. I think on the left is the SFP? So the hot parts are above the reactor itself?

 

[triumph61]

On the left is the Device Storage Pool.

The Steam is at the same Place as in 2011. Video Minute 3.10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKFGavZ_rf4&list=TLT3ocWOwqGI0

 

[elektrownik]

2,2 Sv/h detected in place where steam appear
http://www.tepco.co.jp/cc/press/2013/1229161_5117.html

 

[zapperzero]

2,2 Sv/h detected in place where steam appear
http://www.tepco.co.jp/cc/press/2013/1229161_5117.html

Any idea how much it was before the steam?
EDIT: google translate says it's the shield plug area. So the steam could be coming from the RPV.

 

[Bandit127]

Any idea how much it was before the steam?
EDIT: google translate says it's the shield plug area. So the steam could be coming from the RPV.

The whole press release translated:

July 18, is the follow-up about what it was confirmed that the Unit 3 reactor building 5 floor near the center from (equipment storage pool side), steam is in the air.

I will inform you (July 23), so we conducted a radiation dose rate measured in the vicinity of the (whole shield plug) today.

The results of measurement of the 25 locations of the portion near the maximum value 2170mSv / h, a minimum 137mSv / h, the radiation dose rate of the place where it has been confirmed steam was 562mSv / h.

We will continue to watch the situation.

Seems to me like the steam is not carrying radiation with it.

 

[zapperzero]

Seems to me like the steam is not carrying radiation with it.

Based on what?

 

[ronaldkr]

Seems to me like the steam is not carrying radiation with it.

How could that be? In the weeks after the meltdown they had a lot of "steam" coming out, and they got the whole shield plug activated. Here's more data (of today):
http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts_130724_05-e.pdf

Seems rather they have a (one?) hotspot that occasionally, unpredictably comes in contact with water. That they cannot find with the remaining thermometers. And a containment that is incontinent not only at the bottom but also at the top (not really a new observation). Worst is the message that no plant parameters have changed. Steam was "found" on 18 July, so what happened before?

This is not what a "cold shutdown" should look like.

 

[Bandit127]

Based on what?

Less radiation where the steam was coming from than the maximum they found.

 

[triumph61]

Hot Spots on the Plant.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.de/2013/07/hot-spots-in-fukushima-i-nuke-plant.html

 

[zapperzero]

Less radiation where the steam was coming from than the maximum they found.

It does not follow.

 

[tsutsuji]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20130723/index_yuge.html (23 July 2013) Tepco says the steam above unit 3 could be the result of rainwater being heated on the PCV lid, whose temperature is above 40°C. As the cause is still being investigated, debris removal work on the top of unit 3 has been halted.

 

[triumph61]

TEPCO's spokesman said the steam coming out of Reactor 3 in March 2011 after the explosion was from inside the Containment Vessel, and that is known to everybody.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.de/2013/07/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-3s-steam.html

 

[ronaldkr]

TEPCO's spokesman said the steam coming out of Reactor 3 in March 2011 after the explosion was from inside the Containment Vessel, and that is known to everybody.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.de/2013/07/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-3s-steam.html

So 2 1/4 years the TEPCO PR dept. found it feasible (without "losing honor") to admit what, at that time, indeed everybody understood. We then might prepare for lots of additional data that was supressed then.

On the "rainwater theory" here's a nice comment from the same Ex-SKF thread:

The fire-breathing dragon explanation for the rising steam is at least as plausible as the "rain hitting the 40 degree containment cap" explanation. My vote goes to the dragon.
*mscharisma*
July 25, 2013 at 7:43 AM

Then, even as rainwater sickers down it will eluate radioactive substances, when heated (to 40 °C!) go to gas phase, the steam will carry more particles and droplets out (most will condense though), and the expelled stuff will not be radioactive? There are two things that are not consistent.

a) The 40 °C thing. But TEPCO claims it's all cold shutdown, right?

b) The remarks by Bandit127 on the non-radioactive steam.

Seems to me like the steam is not carrying radiation with it.