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A further thought on this is that we want to apply the force with different simultaneity in different cases (of the problem) but always want it to be downward in the rest frame of a rod element. This means it won’t be vertical in the hole frame, but it will be such as to maintain the rod having constant horizontal speed in the hole frame, with all coordinate acceleration downward.PAllen said:I think worrying too much about force changes the nature of the problem. It is, indeed well known that a force in SR generally produces an acceleration not in the same direction as the force. To keep the problem simple, and as intended, it is better to think of some unspecified type of force, acting throughout the body (to avoid worrying about instant crushing of the body) such that a specified acceleration profile is produced. Then, it turns out that if acceleration is orthogonal to the direction of relative motion in one frame, it is also in the other, and also the rod simply has constant horizontal velocity in the hole frame equal to the hole velocity in the rod initial rest frame. The z velocity and acceleration differ in magnitude between the two frames, but they remain z directed.
[edit: consider, if one insists on a 'dust rain' supplying force, that this rain is required be vertical in the local frame of any rod element; this means it won't be vertical in the hole frame. Overall, the dust rain model is not useful for the discussion of this thread since it necessarily applies force only to the top of the rod, and at the relevant magnitudes, the rod is destroyed faster (vertically) than it can respond to the force. For the purposes of examining to what degree a rod can get through the hole non-destructively - the purpose of this thread, we must consider a force 'somehow' able to apply throughout the rod, like gravity.]
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