Lagrangian of a double pendulum, finding kinetic energy

In summary, this conversation is discussing the calculation of the Lagrangian for a double pendulum in Taylor's classical mechanics, specifically in example 11.4. The potential energy is given by the sum of the potential energies of the two masses, while the kinetic energy of the second mass involves a cosine term due to the trigonometric relationship between the two velocities. This is derived from the position of the second mass and the cosine rule.
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Homework Statement
Find the lagrangian of the double pendulum, kinetic energy
Relevant Equations
L=T-U
This is from Taylor's classical mechanichs, 11.4, example of finding the Lagrangian of the double pendulum
Relevant figure attached below
Angle between the two velocities of second mass is
$$\phi_2-\phi_1$$
Potential energy
$$U_1=m_1gL_1$$
$$U_2=m_2g[L_1\cos(1-\phi_1)+L_2(1-\phi_2)]$$
$$(U\phi_1,phi_2)=m_1gL_1+m_2g[L_1\cos(1-\phi_1)+L_2(1-\phi_2)]$$
Kinetic energy of the second mass in the double pendulum
$$T_1=\frac{1}{2}m_1L_1^2\dot\phi_1^2$$
$$T_2=\frac{1}{2} m_2[L_1^2\dot\phi_1^2+2L_1L_2\dot\phi_2\dot\phi_1\cos(\phi_1-\phi_2)+L_2^2\dot\phi_2^2]$$
Where $$ T_2=\frac{1}{2}m_2(v_1+L_2\dot\phi_2)^2$$
I am trouble understanding the cos term here. Does it come from the unit vector? Can someone explain why it's involved, because I could not follow why it's here after squaring the velocity for the second kinetic energy
$$2L_1L_2\dot\phi_2\dot\phi_1\cos(\phi_1-\phi_2)$$
 

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If you want to understand where the KE of the second mass comes from, then start with the position of the second mass: $$(x, y) = (L_1\sin \phi_1 +L_2 \sin \phi_2, L_1\cos \phi_1 + L_2\cos \phi_2)$$Then differentiate.

The ##\cos(\phi_1 - \phi_2)## term arises from the relevant trig identity for a cosine of a difference of angles.
 
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Thank you very much
 
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You get the velocity of the second particle by adding the two contributions ##L_1 \dot{\phi}_1## (varying ##\phi_1## whilst keeping ##\phi_2## fixed) and ##L_2 \dot{\phi}_2## (varying ##\phi_2## whilst keeping ##\phi_1## fixed) vectorially. Joining the vectors tip to tail, the angle between them is ##\pi - (\phi_2 - \phi_1)## so cosine rule states ##v^2 = L_1^2 \dot{\phi}_1^2 + L_2^2 \dot{\phi}_2^2 + 2L_1 L_2 \dot{\phi}_1 \dot{\phi}_2 \cos{(\phi_2 - \phi_1)}##.
 
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FAQ: Lagrangian of a double pendulum, finding kinetic energy

What is the Lagrangian of a double pendulum?

The Lagrangian of a double pendulum is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of the system. It is derived from the kinetic and potential energies of the two masses and their positions and velocities.

How is the Lagrangian of a double pendulum calculated?

The Lagrangian of a double pendulum is calculated by first determining the kinetic energy of the system, which is the sum of the kinetic energies of the two masses. Then, the potential energy of the system is calculated, which is the sum of the potential energies of the two masses. Finally, the Lagrangian is the difference between the kinetic and potential energies.

Why is the Lagrangian of a double pendulum important?

The Lagrangian of a double pendulum is important because it allows us to model and understand the motion of the system. It is used in many fields of science and engineering, such as physics, mechanics, and robotics.

How does the Lagrangian affect the motion of a double pendulum?

The Lagrangian affects the motion of a double pendulum by determining the equations of motion for the system. These equations describe how the positions and velocities of the masses change over time, and can be used to predict the future behavior of the system.

Can the Lagrangian of a double pendulum be used to find the kinetic energy of the system?

Yes, the Lagrangian of a double pendulum can be used to find the kinetic energy of the system. This is because the Lagrangian is derived from the kinetic energy of the two masses, and can be rearranged to solve for the kinetic energy. However, it is more common to use the Lagrangian to find the equations of motion, and then use those equations to calculate the kinetic energy at a specific point in time.

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