Magnetic field inside a solenoid calculated with Ampere's law

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The discussion revolves around the application of Ampere's Law to calculate the magnetic field inside a solenoid. One participant suggests that the total magnetic field should be the sum of fields from various cross-sections of the solenoid, questioning why this approach isn't used. However, others clarify that Ampere's Law already accounts for the total magnetic field generated by the current within the solenoid. They emphasize that calculating the field from individual loops is unnecessary and more complex, as Ampere's Law provides the correct result efficiently. The conversation highlights a misunderstanding of how Ampere's Law functions in determining the magnetic field in such scenarios.
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I think the real magenetic field is sum of the magnetic fields calculated in each cross section of solenoid with various angle and same center axis when i apply Ampere's law. (Imagine the cross section contains a part of center line of the solenoid) Please let me know why we don't do like that. :)
 
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Limddong said:
I think the real magenetic field is sum of the magnetic fields calculated in each cross section of solenoid with various angle and same center axis when i apply Ampere's law. (Imagine the cross section contains a part of center line of the solenoid) Please let me know why we don't do like that. :)

I'm not clear what you are saying here, especially by the phrase "real magnetic field". Were you calculating an "unreal" magnetic field via other means?

There's nothing to stop you from calculating the magnetic field field at the center of a single circular loop of current, and then summing it up as you add more and more loops to form a solenoid. You'll get the same answer as applying the Ampere's Circuital method. But using the former is a lot more work!

This is no different than using Gauss's law for highly-symmetric situation to find the E-field, instead of applying Coulomb's law and doing all those nasty integrations.

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ZapperZ said:
I'm not clear what you are saying here, especially by the phrase "real magnetic field". Were you calculating an "unreal" magnetic field via other means?

There's nothing to stop you from calculating the magnetic field field at the center of a single circular loop of current, and then summing it up as you add more and more loops to form a solenoid. You'll get the same answer as applying the Ampere's Circuital method. But using the former is a lot more work!

This is no different than using Gauss's law for highly-symmetric situation to find the E-field, instead of applying Coulomb's law and doing all those nasty integrations.

Zz.
Thanks for answering my question! Yes, the 'real' is not appropriate word. 'Total' would be appropriate.
Sorry for that... However, what i really want to know is tha, Ampere's law gives us just some magnetic field that is generated by current 'inside' the ampere circuital. That means the magnetic field i got from a cross section of a solenoid by Ampere's law is not total magnetic field. Why we do not consider other cross section's magnetic field to get total magnetic field? They make magnetic field too.
 
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Limddong said:
Ampere's law gives us just some magnetic field that is generated by current 'inside' the ampere circuital. That means the magnetic field i got from a cross section of a solenoid by Ampere's law is not total magnetic field.

No, it doesn't. You are not understanding what Ampere's Law asserts.
 
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