Magnitude of the non-coulomb electric field around a solenoid.

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The discussion centers on calculating the magnitude of the non-Coulomb electric field around a solenoid with a changing magnetic field. The initial calculations for the electromotive force (emf) yielded 251.3 volts, but confusion arose regarding the application of the emf equation from the perspective of the metal ring surrounding the solenoid. Participants clarified that the emf should be calculated based on the ring's area, leading to a revised emf of 3.62 volts. The subsequent calculation for the electric field resulted in 2.40 V/m. The thread emphasizes the importance of correctly identifying the area relevant to the emf calculation in such problems.
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Homework Statement



A metal ring of radius r = 24 cm surrounds a
solenoid of radius R = 2 cm and 10000 turns.
The magnetic field inside the solenoid changes from 5 T to 3 T in
0.1 s. Find the magnitude of the non-Coulomb
electric field along the ring.
Answer in units of V/m

Homework Equations



emf = -N*d(flux)/dt = -N*db/dt*A
emf = integral of E*dl

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok, so i pretty much just plugged in numbers. for the emf:

emf = -10000*(3-5)/0.1*pi*0.02^2 = 251.3 volts.

For the electric field:

E = emf/L = 251.3/2*pi*0.24 = 166.7 V/m

Unfortunately, the computer keeps saying I'm wrong. Am I really doing something wrong? This seemed pretty straight forward.
 
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Pepjag said:
Ok, so i pretty much just plugged in numbers. for the emf:

emf = -10000*(3-5)/0.1*pi*0.02^2 = 251.3 volts.

Am I really doing something wrong?

You're looking at the emf induced in the metal ring. How many turns of wire does a metal ring have?
 
Wait, so you have to use the emf equation from the ring's perspective?

emf = (3-5)/0.1*pi*0.24^2 = 3.62 volts.

E = emf/L = 251.3/2*pi*0.24 = 2.40 V/m

Or do I still use the solenoid's area for the emf?
 
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