I Matrix Notation for potential in Schrodinger Equation

[skynelson]

I'm working on the time-dependent Schrodinger equation, and come across something I don't understand regarding notation, which is not specific to TDSE but the Schrodinger formalism in general. Let's say we have a non-trivial potential. There is a stage in the development of the TDSE where we write the coefficient for the $n$th energy eigenstate as
$$ \frac{\partial c_n(t)}{\partial t} = \frac{-i}{\hbar} \sum_k c_k(t) <n|\hat{V}(t)|k>e^{i\omega_{nk}t},$$
in other words, the time dependence of the $n$th coefficient depends on each of the other $k$ coefficients as well as the potential, $<n|\hat{V}(t)|k>$.

My question is about the potential, $V_{nk} \equiv <n|\hat{V}(t)|k>$. This is a matrix element representing a transition amplitude between the $k$th energy eigenstate and the $n$th energy eigenstate.

Can somebody please provide an example of the form this would explicitly take? It seems there are notoriously few potentials that are analytically solvable in the Schrodinger equation, so I am having trouble understanding what $V_{nk}$ would look like. I guess you could say I am unclear on what the $\hat{V}$ matrix looks like.

One example I found is for the potential $$\hat{V}(t)=2 \hat{V} cos(\omega t).$$
However, this doesn't help since it is only explicit about the time dependence. (e.g. the result is $<n|\hat{V}(t)|k> = 2 V_{nk} cos(\omega t)$, but I want to have an example of $V_{nk}$.)

Thank you!
P.S. I have seen this worked out for the example of the quantum harmonic oscillator energy eigenstates, using creation and annihilation operators, but that formalism is so unique I think it would be helpful see another example as well.
P.P.S. The particle-in-a-box, again, seems not so helpful, since the form of the potential is non-analytical, just step functions.

 

[jambaugh]

I'm not sure if this directly addresses your question but consider the example of an infinite well $V=\infty$ for $x<0, x>a$ but not a square well, rather you have a non trivial potential function within, $V(x)$. As it is a finite well you may naturally choose the discrete basis for a square well, $\psi_n(x) =\sqrt{2/a}\sin( n\pi x/a)$ . The components of the potential matrix are not transition amplitudes per se. They are just, literally, the components of the potential matrix in this basis.

So now to find those components in this basis you would integrate:

\hat{V}_{nm} = \int_{0}^{a}dx \int_{0}^{a}dy \left[\psi_n^*(x)\delta(x-y)V(x)\psi_m(y)\right] = \int_{0}^{a} \psi_n^*(x)V(x)\psi_m(x) dx

The delta function occurs because the potential is localized in position space. Other operators may not be and would necessarily be functions of two variables (as with, for example Green's Functions). Viewed another way, I am taking the two variable discrete Fourier transform of the potential treated as a functional operator (with the delta function factor added).

Now I'm not being careful here about the "picture" I'm using. I leave it to you to sort that out but I hope this addresses your specific question. Note the potential need not be analytic, only integrable. Note also that it is in this context that you may try to diagonalize the potential. It is "hyper-diagonalized" in the position representation but that's not using a discrete basis. In the end this part is all linear algebra.

 

[vanhees71]

An example (applying 1st-order perturbation theory) is the photoeffect (transition of an atom from a bound to a continuum/scattering state under absorption of a photon):

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/sins-physics-didactics/

 

[skynelson]

Thanks for the very clear description, jambaugh.
So it looks like we picked eigenfunctions of a convenient scenario (square well) even though they weren't eigenfunctions of the actual potential, which included a square well plus a perturbation $V(x)$. Right? And it's because of that we end up having $V_{nm}$. The fact that there are non-diagonal entries $V_{nm}$ indicates that the functions we chose are not the actual eigenfunctions of the system. And this scheme, with $V_{nm}$, is an approximation scheme to get closer to the true eigenfunctions.

And thanks for the link vanhees71.

 

[skynelson]

An example (applying 1st-order perturbation theory) is the photoeffect (transition of an atom from a bound to a continuum/scattering state under absorption of a photon):

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/sins-physics-didactics/

Thanks Vanhees71, it's great to see this example worked out, fascinating.
Can you tell me more about this quantity,
$$\alpha \equiv \vec{A}_0 \cdot <E,t_0|\hat{\vec{p}}(t_0)|E, t_0>$$
for the non time-dependent amplitude is the part I am having some trouble gaining an intuition for. I understand that this amplitude tells how much the perturbation potential mixes the unperturbed eigenstates together. In your example here, can it be written out explicitly? It is usually just shoved to the side in favor of the more interesting time-dependent part of the calculation.

 

[jambaugh]

I would add that the choice of eigen-functions for the square well is as you (skynelson) say a "convenient" choice. It is also arbitrary form a mathematical perspective. The thing that is primary and fundamental is the Hilbert space. (Actually it is the operator algebra over that Hilbert space but from each we can construct the other so... chicken? or egg?)

The functions of position, here the wave-functions, are just a collection of information about the vectors in that space. You can view $\psi(x)$ as a parameterized set of linear functionals from these vectors to $\mathbb{C}$. (The Dirac delta "function" is a representative of these functionals in a formalism where we pretend the Riesz representation theorem still holds. Note that the Dirac delta function only has operational meaning when it occurs inside an integral. )
[edit] In mathematicese:
Eval_x[\psi] = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \delta(x-\xi)\psi(\xi) d\xi
(realize that this defines $\delta$ and not the Eval functional.) [end edit]

Thinking in these terms, purely (albeit advanced) linear-algebraic terms, makes the resolution much more apparent. It took me a while to understand this point but it has made understanding the physics much easier.

 

[vanhees71]

Thanks Vanhees71, it's great to see this example worked out, fascinating.
Can you tell me more about this quantity,
$$\alpha \equiv \vec{A}_0 \cdot <E,t_0|\hat{\vec{p}}(t_0)|E, t_0>$$
for the non time-dependent amplitude is the part I am having some trouble gaining an intuition for. I understand that this amplitude tells how much the perturbation potential mixes the unperturbed eigenstates together. In your example here, can it be written out explicitly? It is usually just shoved to the side in favor of the more interesting time-dependent part of the calculation.

You mean the diagonal elements of the matrix. This is the 1st-order perturbative contribution to an overall phase factor. In terms of Feynman diagrams it's a "disconnected vacuum contribution" which cancels by the normalization.