Measuring Neutrino Mass from a Supernova

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of neutrinos detected from a supernova, using energy and time measurements. The initial calculations yielded an unexpectedly high neutrino mass of 7.7 GeV, raising questions about the methodology and unit conversions. Participants emphasized the importance of using Taylor expansions for speeds close to light and ensuring proper unit conversions, particularly for light years and energy in MeV. There were also clarifications sought regarding the variables used in the equations and the assumptions made in the calculations. The conversation highlights the complexities involved in accurately measuring neutrino mass from astronomical events.
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I tried and I got a ridiculous large number for the neutrino mass. I basically used E=\gamma m c and then, for 10 MeV neutrinos, time taken is t + 10 seconds to reach Earth, for 50 MeV neutrinos, time taken is t seconds.
Speed = \frac{100 000}{(t+10)} for 10 MeV and Speed = \frac{100 000}{t} for 50 MeV. Here's the question:

Neutrinos were detected from a supernova (distance ~ 100 000 light years) over a time period of ~ 10 seconds. The neutrinos have an energy range from 10 MeV to 50 MeV.
What's the mass of the neutrino, assuming all neutrinos were produced at the same time and their mass is small compared to their energy.
 
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Your speed is in LY/sec. Did you convert units?
Speed in LY/Y is so close to one that you have to use a Taylor expansion.
 
Meir Achuz said:
Your speed is in LY/sec. Did you convert units?
Speed in LY/Y is so close to one that you have to use a Taylor expansion.

Yes, I did unit conversions. A light year = 9.46 \times 10^{15} meters

Here's what I did:

for 10 MeV neutrinos, 10\;Me = \frac{m\;c}{\sqrt{1 - (\frac{d}{t+10})^2/c^2}}

and hence, t+10 = \frac{10\;M\;e\;d}{10\;M\;e\;c}(1-\frac{m^2\;c^2}{10^2\;M^2\;e^2})^{-1/2}

Binomial expansion, keep only first two terms yield:
t+10 = \frac{d}{c}(1+\frac{m^2\;c^2}{2\times10^2\;\M^2\;e^2})

do the same for 50 Mev neutrinos,

for 50 MeV neutrinos, 50\;Me = \frac{m\;c}{\sqrt{1 - (\frac{d}{t})^2/c^2} }

simultaneous equations, cancelling t, yield:

10 = \frac{d\;m^2\;c}{2\;M^2\;e^2}(\frac{1}{10^2}-\frac{1}{50^2})

Solving for m (neutrino mass), I got 7.7 GeV !?
 
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I get: 10 sec=(10^5 yr X m^2/2)(1/100-1/2500), with m in MeV.
I don't see where your e^2 came from, why your c is i the numerator.
What is your M?
Use 1LY/c=1 year, keep all masses in MeV.
Use t=(L/c)\sqrt{m^+p^2}/p~L/c-(m^2/2E)(L/c).
 
You also must take into account how long the neutrino sees itself moving as compared to what the Earth sees as how long the neurtino is moving from a to b
 
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