Neon energy levels in He-Ne laser

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Neon serves as the lasing element in the He-Ne laser, with the primary lasing transition occurring at 632.8 nm from the 3s to 2p energy levels. The discussion highlights confusion regarding the energy levels, specifically the 2s and 2p states, where the 2s state appears to have higher energy in the diagram. This discrepancy is clarified by noting that the diagram uses Paschen notation, which does not directly correspond to hydrogen-like configurations. In multi-electron atoms like neon, the energy levels can differ from simple models, with the 2S state actually representing a higher energy level than the 2P state due to electron configuration complexities. Understanding these nuances resolves the initial confusion regarding energy levels in the He-Ne laser.
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Neon is the lasing element in He-Ne laser. The lasing transition(632.8nm) is from 3s to 2p. In the energy level diagram there is one 1.15μm transition from 2s to 2p. But we studied that 2s orbital have lower energy than 2p then how it is possible, in the energy diagram, 2s level have higher energy than 2p level and one transition of 2s to 2p?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium–neon_laser#mediaviewer/File:Hene-2.png
 
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Anoop MD said:
Neon is the lasing element in He-Ne laser. The lasing transition(632.8nm) is from 3s to 2p. In the energy level diagram there is one 1.15μm transition from 2s to 2p. But we studied that 2s orbital have lower energy than 2p then how it is possible, in the energy diagram, 2s level have higher energy than 2p level and one transition of 2s to 2p?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium–neon_laser#mediaviewer/File:Hene-2.png

The notation in the diagram you reference is called Paschen notation. The labels are numberings of excited states, by energy. The "2S" does not refer to a "2s" hydrogen-like wave fundtion. Look at the reference given on the wikipage for a discussion of what nominal electron configurations correspond to the different Paschen notation labels.

http://archive.today/pwve

Remember too that in multi-electron atoms, the kind of electron configurations that you learn to write as a beginning student (e.g. 1s^2 for He) are all approximations to the truth.
 
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Quantum Defect said:
The notation in the diagram you reference is called Paschen notation. The labels are numberings of excited states, by energy. The "2S" does not refer to a "2s" hydrogen-like wave fundtion. Look at the reference given on the wikipage for a discussion of what nominal electron configurations correspond to the different Paschen notation labels.

http://archive.today/pwve

Remember too that in multi-electron atoms, the kind of electron configurations that you learn to write as a beginning student (e.g. 1s^2 for He) are all approximations to the truth.
Thank you
 
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Anoop MD said:
how it is possible, in the energy diagram, 2s level have higher energy than 2p level and one transition of 2s to 2p?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium–neon_laser#mediaviewer/File:Hene-2.png

Recall that Neon has more than 1 electron: the notation used in the level diagram is a not literally the same as for hydrogen:

http://archive.today/pwve

As you can see, the 2P level corresponds to the outermost 3p electron, while the 2S state corresponds to the outermost 4s electron, which has a higher energy than the 3p electron.
 
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Thank you, now it is in phase with what I learned!
 
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